Neither of you actually watched the video, clearly as you both are giving typical cliche responses that I had already addressed in the video.
- I get it. PKing and MF bombing people’s progress in a game is a part of D2. I get it. But is it ok when a person is asked to stop doing it several times, but they insist on following and griefing your games on purpose? I get it, it’s funny “LOL” if a person is going to different games to do it. But when a person singles out and targets a player or a group of players to follow them around and continue to ruin every game they join, is this not going too far? This is definitely like borderline the legal definition of actual harassment.
- You have a lot of people playing who are in their 30s or headed towards their 40s now. They are signing in to find practical easy runs to join through PUBLIC games. The very large majority of these players do not have time to indulge in deeper scheduled organization like discord schedules for private runs. It is ridiculous to suggest that “We should make a private game” because of 1 person who insists on going out of their way to ruin the community event for everyone involved, for a couple reasons. 1) People come and go during Chaos Runs. When you try to make a private game like that from an 8 player run, maybe 6 follow. After the first couple runs or three, you’re down to 3 or 4 guys. After about 5 or 6 runs, you’ve got to go back to public to pick up more man power. This is incredibly inconvenient for many people to allow a single guy his right to spit on everyone else. 2) In general, Myself and anyone else involve in such a pro-community event where everyone is having fun and having good discussion and making friends, should not be forced into inconvenience and losing that community cohesion because of 1 guy’s right to spit on everyone else.
Yup agreed. But at what point is too much too much? In the video I mention “I’m not saying it should or shouldn’t be allowed, but rather I am confused as to what the TOS is against harassment in Diablo 2 Resurrected”.
Because what you’re saying here sounds great, and I get it. I’ve done the PKing phases myself and MF bomb games and interrupt progress, never on purpose but sometimes on accident. But you’re talking a different setting now. By having no rules against harassment, this is saying it is ok if a player or even a group of players was to go very very far out of their way to greatly harass another player to the point that the player being harassed would have a regime of players who decided for w/e reason “we don’t like this guy or we think this is funny” and they are essentially not allowing him to join and play in public games anymore.
I’ve seen this kind of thing happen plenty of times in other games. The thing with other games is that this is definitely suspend or ban worthy and you are not allowed to deny another player of their ability to play the game. However in D2r, people seem to believe this is ok. And do not say “go private” that is a cop-out excuse. People are logging online so they can play multi-player in public games, and meet new people to play with. A person who decides to continuously deny them of that, that isn’t right.
The point of writing this is: Where is the line drawn between “Funny haha D2 MF game bombing & PKing” and “This is too much, you’re harassing a player or group of players to such a degree, that you’ve completely denied them of their game experience”?
Again, I’m not saying it should or shouldn’t be ok. I’m just very curious as what the community thinks here. But I want the community to give this some deeper more mature thought on this, rather than reply with cliche “OH IT’S D2 SO IT’S OK” kind of comments. Because what I’m bringing up & pointing out here is that slight casual PKing & light griefing in an environment with no rules against that, can very very easily turn into elaborate harassment.
Give it some real thought.
^ That’s the kind of 2 second responses I am not looking for. This guy will say this here in this thread, but then send in an email report to Blizzard if someone was camping him in public games every time he signed online, forcing him to play only private.
Nah, watch the whole video. I clearly stated this was in light of bringing up a discussion about where things can go and how bad it can get.
Agreed. Just wondering if anyone else had noticed that maybe things are a bit different now going into 2022, and maybe there needs to be a TOS rule against dedicated griefing vs. community events.
Yeah, I did that, several times actually, but he just kept coming back and following the games, resulting in completely ruining the community cohesion we had built for the run, which this game desperately needs. ← And that is why this issue is concerning to me.
Diablo 2 is like virtually single player even when online on multiplayer, in the end game. So when someone has an actual efficient and good community game running “Chaos & Baals w/e” it’s pretty sad to see so many people support the idea of ruining that because of 1 guy’s right to spit on everyone else.
I feel like we got something wrong going on here in D2. It’s one thing to join a game and PK real quick or bomb the seals before anyone gets there, and then go to a different game. But to follow the same people and keep doing it over and over and over. I feel like maybe we need a rule against that here.
Yup I brought all of that up in the video already actually. I get it, it’s D2.
But just as you said, it was made in a different time. Maybe going into 2022 here, setting a TOS rule against mass level griefing should be put into place. I don’t think anyone cares about generalized PKing & the occasional MF game ruiner. But when someone goes out of their way to keep following you and doing it over and over after being asked several times to stop, I dunno man.
But w/e. I got my answer. Looks like absolutely no one cares about what I’m pointing out here. That or they aren’t taking it seriously enough to put any thought into this past a 2 second response.
~ GG Cheers.