Where is the line drawn between general PKing & game crashing for MFing, and harassment that goes too far? Is there even a rule against this type of harassment in D2r? If there isn’t, should there be?
Please watch the full 15 minutes of this video for a fine example of exactly what I am talking about. These types of issues need to be brought to attention, as D2r seems to have a negligent amount of ruling against what would otherwise be considered in other games as hard harassment, or possibly even scamming.
Do we need rules on these kinds of things or no? What is everyone’s opinion?
Edit ~ Deleted Video Because Apparently It Was Against Forum TOS.
No there isn’t. People can pk and mf in your pub games all they want and you can do little more than complain about it in vain on the forums.
Make a private game or pk them more efficiently.
Personally I get excited when someone joins my chaos/Baal games to mf. I’m pvp oriented on all my characters. I hostile. Go kill them, and camp them until they leave while they spam chat w whiney nonsense and racial slurs as I laugh quietly to myself.
What’s up with D2 and racism, I heard about it and have seen it many times. This russian dude I usually played D3 with, nice guy and good player, when I met him in D2 his name was Nigersomething. lol
No, nothing can or will be done as this is the mentality that Diablo 2 has been played with for 20 years now. If they wanted to do something, it would have been done already.
PK is a part of Diablo 2’s core. Diablo 2 is intended for a hardcore experience, not for the feint of heart. It sucks when your EXP runs get derailed by a rabid Nova Necro teleporting all over the world, but it is what it is. Just kill him, he’s likely not equipped to deal with everyone all at once.
As for game hijacking… lol, well, sadly the only option is to create a private game. We MFers enjoy the Player 3+ experience and that is the only way to attain it outside of Discord groups or the likes.
You have to understand the time and place that this game was created. This game was created by 90’s devs when the popular mmo at the time was Ultima Online and everything in that game was PVP anywhere and anyone could loot your corpse after killing you. The original dev team for D2 specifically said that they kept open pvp in the game because the world of Diablo 2 in their vision was supposed to be dangerous at all times and it also gave players the opportunity to play the bad guy. You can dispute that vision if you want, but that’s just the way the game is and that was the general attitude of the dev team when this game was made for better or worse.
Neither of you actually watched the video, clearly as you both are giving typical cliche responses that I had already addressed in the video.
I get it. PKing and MF bombing people’s progress in a game is a part of D2. I get it. But is it ok when a person is asked to stop doing it several times, but they insist on following and griefing your games on purpose? I get it, it’s funny “LOL” if a person is going to different games to do it. But when a person singles out and targets a player or a group of players to follow them around and continue to ruin every game they join, is this not going too far? This is definitely like borderline the legal definition of actual harassment.
You have a lot of people playing who are in their 30s or headed towards their 40s now. They are signing in to find practical easy runs to join through PUBLIC games. The very large majority of these players do not have time to indulge in deeper scheduled organization like discord schedules for private runs. It is ridiculous to suggest that “We should make a private game” because of 1 person who insists on going out of their way to ruin the community event for everyone involved, for a couple reasons. 1) People come and go during Chaos Runs. When you try to make a private game like that from an 8 player run, maybe 6 follow. After the first couple runs or three, you’re down to 3 or 4 guys. After about 5 or 6 runs, you’ve got to go back to public to pick up more man power. This is incredibly inconvenient for many people to allow a single guy his right to spit on everyone else. 2) In general, Myself and anyone else involve in such a pro-community event where everyone is having fun and having good discussion and making friends, should not be forced into inconvenience and losing that community cohesion because of 1 guy’s right to spit on everyone else.
Yup agreed. But at what point is too much too much? In the video I mention “I’m not saying it should or shouldn’t be allowed, but rather I am confused as to what the TOS is against harassment in Diablo 2 Resurrected”.
Because what you’re saying here sounds great, and I get it. I’ve done the PKing phases myself and MF bomb games and interrupt progress, never on purpose but sometimes on accident. But you’re talking a different setting now. By having no rules against harassment, this is saying it is ok if a player or even a group of players was to go very very far out of their way to greatly harass another player to the point that the player being harassed would have a regime of players who decided for w/e reason “we don’t like this guy or we think this is funny” and they are essentially not allowing him to join and play in public games anymore.
I’ve seen this kind of thing happen plenty of times in other games. The thing with other games is that this is definitely suspend or ban worthy and you are not allowed to deny another player of their ability to play the game. However in D2r, people seem to believe this is ok. And do not say “go private” that is a cop-out excuse. People are logging online so they can play multi-player in public games, and meet new people to play with. A person who decides to continuously deny them of that, that isn’t right.
The point of writing this is: Where is the line drawn between “Funny haha D2 MF game bombing & PKing” and “This is too much, you’re harassing a player or group of players to such a degree, that you’ve completely denied them of their game experience”?
Again, I’m not saying it should or shouldn’t be ok. I’m just very curious as what the community thinks here. But I want the community to give this some deeper more mature thought on this, rather than reply with cliche “OH IT’S D2 SO IT’S OK” kind of comments. Because what I’m bringing up & pointing out here is that slight casual PKing & light griefing in an environment with no rules against that, can very very easily turn into elaborate harassment.
Give it some real thought.
^ That’s the kind of 2 second responses I am not looking for. This guy will say this here in this thread, but then send in an email report to Blizzard if someone was camping him in public games every time he signed online, forcing him to play only private.
Nah, watch the whole video. I clearly stated this was in light of bringing up a discussion about where things can go and how bad it can get.
Agreed. Just wondering if anyone else had noticed that maybe things are a bit different now going into 2022, and maybe there needs to be a TOS rule against dedicated griefing vs. community events.
Yeah, I did that, several times actually, but he just kept coming back and following the games, resulting in completely ruining the community cohesion we had built for the run, which this game desperately needs. ← And that is why this issue is concerning to me.
Diablo 2 is like virtually single player even when online on multiplayer, in the end game. So when someone has an actual efficient and good community game running “Chaos & Baals w/e” it’s pretty sad to see so many people support the idea of ruining that because of 1 guy’s right to spit on everyone else.
I feel like we got something wrong going on here in D2. It’s one thing to join a game and PK real quick or bomb the seals before anyone gets there, and then go to a different game. But to follow the same people and keep doing it over and over and over. I feel like maybe we need a rule against that here.
Yup I brought all of that up in the video already actually. I get it, it’s D2.
But just as you said, it was made in a different time. Maybe going into 2022 here, setting a TOS rule against mass level griefing should be put into place. I don’t think anyone cares about generalized PKing & the occasional MF game ruiner. But when someone goes out of their way to keep following you and doing it over and over after being asked several times to stop, I dunno man.
But w/e. I got my answer. Looks like absolutely no one cares about what I’m pointing out here. That or they aren’t taking it seriously enough to put any thought into this past a 2 second response.
no unfortunately we don’t really care… yes it sucks when you’re on the receiving end of it but all games and especially D2 have ways to circumvent or stop griefers…leave game and create new one…?
But they don’t though. That’s why I posted this. PKing him wasn’t enough. I must have killed that guy 7 or 8 times. But he just kept coming back and finding our games, and joining and going to ruin the seals. By the time I could hostile him and get in there to PK him, the run would be ruined already. When I would whisper everyone a different game number that was out of sequence, somehow he was finding his way back into the game through the join list quickly enough to continue to ruin the runs like this.
This is what my concern is, there wasn’t a way to stop him from doing it. And no, saying “go private game” is not an adequate solution. The people following won’t all show up to a private game and even the ones who do, don’t usually stay long, which means after 2 or 3 games we have to go public again, and then we still have some trash can who is dedicated enough to wait for us to go public again, so he can ruin the games again.
This is what I mean, there isn’t a way to stop him from doing that. And I get what people are saying “It’s D2 this is what it is” but you know what? That’s cool a response when something like this goes on for maybe 20 or 30 minutes max. When a player keeps doing something like this for an hour or two, or possibly all day, or maybe even dedicates trollhard style to go at you for a week or maybe even a month, that isn’t right man.
All I’m saying, is that we need some kind of official line from Blizzard drawn between “General D2 do whatever you want” and “OK that’s too far dude, now this is harassment and you need to stop”. That’s all I’m saying.
It’s w/e. I’m done with this thread now. I’m very surprised that not even a single person tossed a penny at acknowledging that too much is too much.
Then pick one of the options in the report box, regardless of whether it applies or not, then put your stalking complaint in the actual message. Not sure how much GMs check that sort of thing, but I don’t see any other way to go about it.
Yes it sucks, but unless you make the attempt to report and get some kind of response back from support staff, then you really don’t know what BlizzardVision’s actual position on it is.
Majority of the players also didn’t have internet. So you had millions of players who never experienced forced PVP coming back to a game expecting it to be like their D2 offline was, but with multiplayer.
There clearly is no report option for anything like this. This is a very strong indication that their dev team more than likely is not concerned at with these kinds of issues. It’s indication that even if you did select a non-relevant tag to type a description of the problem, they would overlook it and not care.
Yeah I get it that this is the only thing you could do. But again, I didn’t write this thread to report a guy. I wrote this thread to address a larger elephant in the room that could easily be exploited to seriously harass players in-game at unprecedented levels, while technically not breaking anything in the TOS at all.
I mean these people can come in here with cliche “It’s D2 we can do what we want” and that sounds awfully cool within the 2s thought response, but it would not sound so cool or feel cool at all, if a player or group of players decided to flex that right on them, and actually harass them endlessly as freely and as often as they wished. I just think people need to be thinking about this a little longer than 2s before responding.
Yeah same reason why a lot of people who played single player only wouldn’t recognize that I’m literally the guy who wrote the most widely viewed pvp Bowazon guide on the internet. You can find it on d2jsp. Enjoy your search on TSBoyer.
what do you mean private is not an option? i have leveled every character except my first & 2nd chars in D2R and 90% of my characters in classic D2 with private chaos and baal run games. Never had to worry about PKers… you need a bigger spoon…
Yeah, those of us who don’t use bots and multi-box applications to fill private games with our bots, need to use public games to find each other, to XP past level 90.
bots? who is using a bot right now? the handful of private groups who use them for item finding?..jfc all the private chaos & baal runs were with legitimately playing folks… and me using 2 PCs for having 2 instances isn’t multiboxing. now here comes the excuses…
if you need private chaos i can gave you a game name. several disco friends run private games throughout the day…
