I don’t think he addressed my commentary at all, but perhaps you lack reading comprehension. The earlier poster made rage fuelled comments attacking me, but hardly addressed what I said. His retort basically amounted to “thats how things are, get over it” . This response does nothing to disprove anything I’ve said, while also wildly claiming that every game made in the past 20 years was made with “pay 2 win” included in its design.
Utter nonsense.
You still have done nothing to counter that the existence of third party sources that deal in RMT delegitimizes the competitive nature of ladder. You haven’t disproven how despite being legal, it goes against creating a fair playing field for ladder. Your argument is what exactly? That its just something that one has to deal with existing? That its an inevitability so we should just accept the corrupt system in front of us? Seems like a really fatalistic stance to take.
There are other third party sites that do not deal in RMT, where all trades are done item for item. There’s nothing wrong with those, because they can’t be swayed by the player’s disposable income. They instead rely on a player’s luck in game, and how much work they have put in.
You also seem to have a skewed viewpoint where you actually believe
You do realize all of the FG currently in circulation had to come from somewhere. It came from people putting their money in.
It literally sells you its pseudo currency for you to then make trades on its platform. They literally have a link on their forum when making trades to “request a mediator”.
Oh Wow, this continuous posts agaisnt D2JSP are quite comical.
If only more of you gyus spent time on Mfing instead of grinding forum posts you would not need to worry about D2jsp.
But its funny you guys afraid of ladder and your competition, like do you honestly think you ever stood a chance ?
With whiny ineffective personality types you had zero chance anyway regardless of D2jsp.
Apparently you are the one that is lacking in reading comprehension. Where did he attack you exactly? He didn’t. His retort actually amounted to: ‘Getting rid of d2jsp wouldn’t accomplish anything.’. This thread is just a hate thread. It’s not trying to come up with some solution to trade, or even going after RMT in general. It’s just a hate thread against d2jsp. Blizzard literally can’t do anything to jsp. They aren’t breaking any rules. They could only take action against the players using it. However, just like path of exile, players will adjust and continue to use it but be secretive about it.
I don’t have to disprove anything. All 3rd party tools for all games are specifically made to give people an advantage. People using the tools are going to have an advantage over the ones not using them. There is no such thing as a “fair playing field”. Otherwise, why aren’t you complaining about traderie? It goes against creating a fair playing field as well. My argument is that this whole thread is a joke.
How people got fg 18 years ago is a moot point. What matters is current.
None of these things have to do with being a broker. A broker arranges transactions. d2jsp doesn’t do that. The players themselves arrange their own transactions. At most, d2jsp is middleman that can help after the transaction has been arranged.
For D2jsp to be a broker, the process would be: 1) You create a list of items you are looking for. 2) D2jsp goes and searches for sellers of the items you need. 3) D2jsp buys the items on your behalf and delivers them to you. D2jsp doesn’t do that.
Its not pay to win … its more like pay for comfort play. Well some ppl do have life, RL one and have zero interest invest countless hours into farming they not necessary looking for God Mode but surely interesting in cutting corners to get into endgame where all fun began. All MMORPG have something along those lines
This is flat out false. The only way 99.99% of the millions of forum gold currently in circulation came to exist is by paying money directly to the site to generate it. Not only is this evident by necessity, it is abundantly clear just looking at roughly 1/4-1/3 of the users who are visibly tagged as having paid for forum gold.
You do know there are multiple uses for fg right? It’s not all about D2. You don’t even need to spend money to get a star by the way. You can buy stars with fg. Also, when d2jsp first launched, people were given fg by posting. The site did not sell fg. It wasn’t until much later when people started using it for trading that fg was sold. There had to be enough fg available to many people for this even became an option. So no, most fg is not from it being bought.
I’m not going to waste my time on arguing the semantics of what constitutes attacking someone compared to attacking someone’s argument. If you use your eyes you can see where he not only puts words into my mouth, but makes assumptions about me which are totally irrelevant to the discussion.
As for Blizzard being unable to do anything, yes we get it. Blizzard legally has its hands tied on what it can do about d2jsp, because the owner found a loophole that he’s been exploiting for profit for years. That doesn’t make the website or the things it allows any less problematic for the players that intend to compete on ladder.
Passing off your opinion as fact, never seen that before on this forum. A fair playing field would be one limited to the contents of the game, that is not influenced by outside interference like RMT. What you find in the game can and should be used by the player to gain their advantages. It should be based on how lucky someone is while competing, or how much time and effort people put into it. Not how much money they throw at the problem as a shortcut. RMT invalidates large amounts of effort needed from the player, which would normally be required for them to progress.
Using a website like traderie that strictly sticks to in game currencies, whatever those items may be is entirely different. Not only does it not have RMT, but it doesn’t allow hoarding of a currency that can then be used for each consecutive ladder season. I don’t see how the thread at its core is a joke. The website is clearly problematic because it bypasses multiple ways that players are meant to compete. One, with RMT and two, with an enduring currency that doesn’t have to obey the ladder’s reset intervals.
Hardly. Its still a method people use to get currency today, and they can use the currency they bought or attained previously for future purchases on ladder. This is all a current issue.
I’ll be generous, and guesstimate that 85% of all forum gold was generated from means other than RMT. That still leaves millions of FG that was purchased with that purpose in mind. That amount still climbs to this day, and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think people are still buying it, and won’t continue to buy it for future ladder.
That’s still at least 84% too generous, as there are only three ways forum gold is or has ever been generated (outside of the obvious ability of the site owner being able to manufacture it at will for himself and anyone else he wants). First obviously is paying real money. Second is the lottery, which statistically pays out less forum gold than it consumes (just as in real life, people spend more on the lottery than the lottery pays when someone wins)… so the jsp lottery is actually a net loss of forum gold in circulation. Finally is the free forum gold for posting which only existed when the site was in its infancy and even then only gave you a paltry 0.01 gold per post.
The amount of forum gold currently in circulation is easily in the millions. It is absurd for anyone to suggest that the vast, vast majority of it has been generated by any other means than direct payment.
Diablo is a trading game. Almost everything has value whether you are giving it to your low level, friends or trading up to try a new build. The core of Diablo has always been trading. It’s one of the single reasons why it was so successful for so long.
Personal loot is the worst idea ever and would kill the soul of the game. Look at D3 when they killed trading in it. The game flopped. If I can’t trade or the items I find are soul bound why bother! It’s pointless. Hard NO! Don’t ruin D2R please and thanks.
But let’s be fair - D3 loot system is fine, it’s just different. I played rather large number of seasons in D3 and it just have different pattern how you get your BiS gear. First you run class with good reward for starting season quest… In D3 built linked to the set of choice for given class - so naturally game become hunting for that set and afterward spending resources to improve variables … nothing wrong with it
It’s not fine though. D3 is unplayable because of it’s loot system and haven’t played it since they removed trading and added all the BoP items like most other players. You can’t have personal loot in Diablo! It doesn’t work and never will. As it goes against the core nature of Diablo and RPGs.
Sets need to be tradable just like all items though. I just won’t play a Diablo game with no trading and terrible WoW systems that drives us mad. Keep all the bind on pickup trash in WoW and out of Diablo.
Diablo is a trading game that needs to be supported by trading sites. That is how you have a successful RPG.
See you projecting your own inability to get on-top of the list on entire game system
A) you don’t need to do mindless grind in D3 - anyone can get to GF100 or so by following “best practice” for given season. Pushing to 113-120 yes it take some serious grind
B) Trade is remediation for inability of general crowd get BiS and start consuming end-game. You can skin cat in different ways, trade is one of the ways, personal loot is other approach and D3 clearly proved that it does work … for D3!
Read: I don’t have enough time to dedicate several hours a day to the grind, so I’m a “weak player” and a “slave” to the site.
It’s cliche to say, but when this game came out, I was a sophomore in college. After my 3-4 hours a day in class, I had jack squat to do. I had more time and more mental capacity to focus on this game. I STILL never found a single rune above a Fal or Lem back in the day.
Nowadays, with a full time job, a pretty healthy social life, I don’t play this nearly as much. Does this mean all my characters should be budget characters that struggle with A5 stuff? I don’t think so. I also don’t think that trading P2P is a very efficient way to get what you need unless your luck is already good.
JSP might not be something everyone enjoys, but if you don’t use it, the only effect it has is putting a decently regulated market value on items that drop. That’s pretty much it. There are still tons of players who have no idea what it is, so if you want to really pull the wool over someone’s eyes, you probably still can.
There has not been ONE good argument against the site. Not one. It’s all, “They get to save up FG and buy the best gear on day one.” So?! WHO CARES?! How, pray tell, does this actually affect your gameplay? Do you not like to play with geared characters? Make friends, play private games, play solo, etc. Do you not like trading done outside the game? Good luck regulating that. Do you not like trading at all? Go play D3.
and have zero interest invest countless hours into farming they not necessary looking for God Mode but surely interesting in cutting corners to get into endgame where all fun began. All MMORPG have something along those lines