D2jsp is not cheating. Or... is it?

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Quick disclaimer to anybody who really doesn't know what D2jsp is:
D2jsp is a website/forum where people can trade ingame items from several games with an own currency called forum gold.

People are raging here for a long time to “shut down” this website, because it is an unfair advantage to anyone who is using it.
People who are using this trading website say, it is not an unfair advantage, because anyone can join and that it is just another place to trade items and doesn’t harm anybody.

Who is right? Well, both.

Especially in a new ladder (which hopefully comes soon) all the eco system is set to zero. Everybody starts fresh, without anything.
Many people here on battle.net complain about this, saying, that this is where the biggest advantage (or even cheat) is buried. Because people on d2jsp can trade items so fast, because they are using their own custom currency (the forum gold), which is not getting reset on a new ladder.

So if you’re very “rich” on that website, you can basically buy anything in a new ladder, as soon as it is available.
Exactly this is the moment, where is argument falls apart. Since the eco system is nullified, no items are on the market. Nobody has anything.
You can’t buy anything if there isn’t anything. I really can’t understand why people are getting so outraged about this, when it is so obvious. You can be as rich as it gets, you cannot buy that isn’t there.

And having that said… the very first Ber, Jah, Sur, Shako or whatever GG item is most definitely not getting traded on D2jsp nor ingame. Those are getting sold for hard cash on various websites, e-bay included.

So far for the “pro” argument. But… and there is a but…, this only is true for the very first days of a new ladder.
After a week, or even more, the unfair advantage of what most people are speaking of becomes more and more true. When the eco system gets slowly filled up with items, it’s a huge unfair advantage to any d2jsp user compared to somebody who is not using the website.
Because now you actually can just buy anything you wish for in a matter of seconds, paid by a virtual currency, which you just owned prior ladder.

So in the end, there is no clear answer to this situation. You also cannot claim, that websites that allow for trading outside of the game are a “closed eco system” not influencing other players.
That’s obviously wrong, because you are in a somewhat competitive environment with every other player, whether he is using d2jsp or not. And of course you cannot force every player to use such external websites, just to keep up the pace.

It is a dilemma.

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I appreciate you taking the time to say something more logical than what I have read.

However, people cannot claim they are at a disadvantage if they are making the personal choice not to utilize something. Nor can they claim everyone that uses this medium to be cheaters. It’s disingenuous at best.

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Not really, tis not cheating, bottom line.

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Depends on how you define “cheating”.

I guess most people could agree to the definition of: “An unfair advantage”.

As I explained, this advantage is not present (or very small) at a beginning of a ladder, but as ladder and economy progresses, this advantage becomes huge compared to other players, which don’t use (don’t know) this site.

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most the complaints i’ve heard about it is about botting which from what I’ve read has not been apart of that community for sometime as they banned botting stuff off the forums(even though yes they started with it allowed) currently without bots I can’t see it as cheating, they’re not creating items out of nothing, someone has to have the item drop first, so it feels like just a nothing option for them to trade with, I imagine their prices at the start of ladder would be absurd too so I don’t think they’d be able to just deck themselves out instantly for nothin.

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tons of debate on that… But lets look at easy answers, its only an unfair advantage if you choose not to use it.
Its free to use by anyone.
JSP is not the only “game” in town, there are a ton of trading sites, buy sites, whatever, not just JSP.

Yeah discord and other places are just as guilty, so painting JSP as the sole botting entity, is just being ignorant… I mean that on the ones who say that, not you saying it in hearsay form

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There’s only one definition for cheating
“to behave in a dishonest way in order to get what you want.”

Users of a forum / website IMHO are not cheaters but at least they are accomplices if they knew the items origin.

If items they will trade are botfound, dupes or in same cases stolen ones thanks to malware/keylogger/backdoor injected by malicious website linked by banner in their community website and they know it, they’re cheaters even if they pretend to be unaware of all that.

This is valid for all non certified website, not only for D2jsp.

For not having this type of problem it will be a good idea if a market section with dedicated lobby and dedicated game list will be implemented in D2R avoiding exchanges in normal games by Blizzard.

I think this is “The” solutions for not intoxicate the global community in this game.

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I don’t use d2jsp. My character is doing amazing and I’m having tons of fun! There will always be complainers no matter what they’re complaining about. Just play the game and don’t worry about other people’s stuff imo

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Jsp exists because of the huge void that still exists in trading convenience/speed/availability. In D2 LoD it was basically impossible to gear for non-ladder pvp w/o going on jsp.

D2R has not added any effective official way of doing trades. Trading discords and trade site systems like the ones built by some mods (PD2) are decent attempts but still far off from the versatility that jsp offers with a neutral currency that can be traded in smaller increments than runes.

The way people use jsp (if they do) is an ethical choice. You can chose to not purchase fg and not use fgs earned thru other games content, previous ladders, etc.

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I personally made a new account for D2r and just spend most of the fg I got immediately as if I have a bartered the items.

Also I made a ticket for this matter and CS confirmed there is no official comment or stance or any action taken against d2jsp trading ever.

What I have seen is people feel like it is cheating and argue that it WAS a botting site and the founder is a bad person so using the site in any capacity make you a cheater.

It is not really a dilemma, just people define cheating differently. Some feel like the carry over wealth on ladder reset is. Some feel like the origin and founder make all user cheaters. I feel like if there is no rule specific against it, no action taken for a very long time, it is as good as allowed hence not cheating.

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Let’s face the facts that Blizzard hasn’t addressed,

The lobby refresh sucks, so finding a game to trade in sucks
Cross-Platform trading doesn’t work because there’s no lobby on my PS5 and I have to use PC

If there was a better way to trade, sort and filter the lobby and cross platform users had a lobby, then players would not need another mechanism to trade items.