I just wanted to point out that most of the people who use this website are not promoting botting. Botting is mostly an RMT issue, and the people who use forum gold to facilitate trading don’t want it either.
There’s a big thread right now with a petition against botting. I’m signing it and want to welcome anyone else who wants to try and help.
Now go ahead and spam this thread with negative feedback about how it won’t change anything, I don’t care, just wanted to share this.
I wish d2jsp was more intuitive…it’s easy to miss people on a trade. that was the main reason I gave up and went to ladder slasher. nobody wanted a ral rune for 1fg and when they did I missed them.
You CAN, but it is hardly worthwhile. It costs 100 bucks for 3200 fg. Basically, 100 bucks will buy you a Ber rune on ladder.not exactly the best way to do things.
That’s a difference in degree, not in kind. I wasn’t discussing the relative efficiency in procuring gg. Heck, paying any real money for something that doesn’t actually exist is a perfect example of inefficiency.
The point was that the capability exists within d2jsp for P2W, meaning it’s in the same boat as far as corrupting gameplay as any other site that takes money for virtual items.
Hence “mostly”. Of course there is real money involved with obtaining forum gold, and to a far, far less extent, selling it on black markets.
The real glaring reason for botting, however, is not to obtain a virtual currency that is very risky to sell for $$$. The real reason is to sell the items directly for $$$ on one of the 1,000 RMT websites. Hard to argue that.
If you think of fg as d2 items, then yeah the people buying fg are buying d2 items with $$. No botting involved in this though. Bots want to farm items to sell directly for $$$ and we all hate this and it is against ToS.
The reply you linked reminds me of the part in this video that focuses on the public apology about the gold farmers. What goes on behind the scenes is far different from the actual announcement by the company by things the company itself is doing. The best part is the people put in place to deflect the issue.
ya, i have known several people now who won’t think twice about dropping 5 grand or more just to be better than others. 100 bucks is nothing to those types. and there is more of them than you think.
The most interesting thing about this whole problem is how the people denouncing the solution to getting rid of people botting in d2r is how they fail to get and understand that without bots, places like d2jsp doesn’t have as many items as it does. Trying to deny that about 95% of all d2r items on d2jsp came from people using bots to obtain it is hilarious and shows how dense people are and the lengths they will go to defend botting.
If D2JSP hates botters and really means that, they would shut the entire site down simply because since there is no real way to determine how the item was obtained, but people do know there are more bots than there are players, which means you have to approach the site from the angle that all items were farmed by bots.
Sure it sucks for the legitimate people but guess what, there are more botters than there are actual human players failure to grasp that concept proves you’re clueless. People love to use the pity party excuse of what about the legit players.
The reply to that is simple:
Sorry, but legit players going onto and using a site that is not only against Blizzards TOS, but also full well know they’re lumping themselves in with botters, so that is on them and no one else so there is no lets feel bad for legitimate players. There is no such thing as a legitimate player on any of those sites.
BTW yes it is against the TOS to use any of those sites. it’s listed in the TOS under something called Blizzards OWNERSHIP (A place in the TOS no one reads yet claims to know all about) The key wording in that section is “everything therein” which is attached to the account itself and everything on it as Blizzards property and ip and as such you are not permitted to use any unauthorized channels to obtain any of Blizzards ip.
Despite people trying to claim Blizzard reached some agreement with D2JSP that is false, that information was concocted by the people on D2JSP not Blizzard. That’s like a reporter saying (Insert name said so) I didn’t talk to them personally, but someone I know said they did. That is the idiocy level of trying to say something is legit while only supplying your own source and hearsay as proof.
So when it comes to actually hating botters, guess what, shut the site down if you want to make that type of statement public.
Gamers always love to ignore facts by arguing arbitrary and unrelated aspects
Well see the real kicker, is when someone is dumb enough to actually buy FG they can then flip that money, buy items from botters directly, trade those items to people for their FG that someone else already paid for without obviously endless inflating the market, then trade that FG for yet more items back and forth, then sell those items on their own sister sites.
You know jsp is all small timers right? A few probably bot on d2r, but these aren’t the real RMT guys. They can’t be. Unless, they can move fg on another 3rd party site, they aren’t making any real cash.
Like the Krono trade in Everquest. Those guys can easily sell it for cash on 3rd party sites. They sell it 3-5 bucks cheaper than daybreak sells it.
If you guys genuinely think the biggest botters of this game are doing it to make ‘fg’, you are delusional and have no understanding of how bots or RMT making websites work. You don’t make money on JSP. The real profit is RMT websites.
The majority of the biggest botters are massive organized groups, typically located in China.
Also, Blizzard LOVES bots, and literally had that Chinese bot farm fiasco a little while back. So if you think they care about the integrity of their game and care about addressing 'the bot issue then just lol. I have a bridge to sell you. Imagine still believing the lie that companies care about their consumers.
The sad fact is they do not. No modern triple AAA gaming company cares about you. Blizzard indirectly profits from bots. They make FAR more money from bots than you random whiney forum users. Sad reality. And companies in 2022, especially gaming companies, are all about as much profit as possible.
Welcome to late-stage capitalism. Enjoy your stay everyone.
No modern triple AAA gaming company cares about you. Blizzard indirectly profits from bots. They make FAR more money from bots than you random whiney forum users. Sad reality. And companies in 2022, especially gaming companies, are all about as much profit as possible.