That didn’t take long. Cheaters always gonna cheat. I’m sure bots will be soon after.
I wish they’d exercise the same level of dedication to preventing cheats in this game. Oh wait, the botters in this game are the ones who keep this game somewhat lucrative when they rebuy the game after being banned… Don’t want to cut off that revenue stream. Never mind.
If it weren’t an MMO I would want to mod DIV. The artwork and base game is there, but everything around it is crumbling. Especially with big name streamers rapidly leaving the platform
Botters rebuying doesn’t even cover the costs to ban these folks…
Until their boardroom views policing their games as a profit generating move, all arpgs will always encounter heavy botting, duping & rmt spammers. As it stands it is strictly a huge cost to gaming companies… You pay people to develop something to flag these accounts & ban the proper ones, then you get hundreds of tickets and phone calls of people asking why they got banned you gotta pay folks to cover that, etc…and what about those supposed false flag bans? To me this is all a mess and quite understandable why a gaming company would be dragging their feet especially for a game that sells between $20 and $40…
Too bad gaming security/police couldn’t be a separate party akin to the police in rl…but even then plenty of people get away with stuff in life so perhaps this a personal philosophical question you must come to terms with. There will always be botters in this universe, you play SSF so let those troubles melt away.
Ahh, if they’d only introduce a SSF ladder… They’d melt a bit faster.
I have no dream or hope of being #1 on the theoretical SSF ladder, because I don’t have the time to. But it’d still be nice to see where I rank with what little time I do play versus others who play SSF.
i honestly just want a functional chat. SSF is one thing and how i play these days anyway, but i still would like to socialize in-game… cheat and bot all you want at this point, idgaf what you do on a 20 year old game, but spammers can’t just leave the chat alone and honestly, i dont understand why. not like anybody actually follows these links that get spammed. to me, chat is a place that should be actively policed somehow.
i hope…
anyway, rant over
EDIT: did some reflection and well i do care about cheating and botting as it affects folks who are going for an honest climb on the ladder, so apparently “iDOgaf” lol
Yeah watching a few videos about it. Actually pretty funny.
Get banned in D2R? 40 bucks maybe 20. D4? Potentially 100 dollars plus any micros for cosmetics or battle pass purchases. Far more lucrative.
A SSF ladder on paper is awesome but the truth is, it will be just as trash as the normal ladder. Who will enforce fairness? …that’s even if they bother, they can’t be bothered to police the normal ladder so why would SSF ladder be any different? Sadly it will be just like the hoardes of people who botted their level 99999 paragon dh… most everyone will be a botter or a rmt user paying a leveler to do it for them and we’ll be back to square one with blizz being blamed for not doing enough to stop these botters…
A SSF ladder would eliminate both the wallet warriors and the JSPers from the mix, as well as groups who power level their “champion” to the top of the list. Depending on its popularity, it may start driving a small wedge into the RMT botting problem from the reduction of the demand for items… Although since there will always be players interested in multiplayer, it will never die.
Botters will still be a problem of course, however their activity may become a bit easier for Blizzard to track. I’m sure there will be streamers who will play it, which will serve as a decent benchmark on what a human with a ton of time to play games can do.
Then what is the point…? Make some people feel good about their epeen? Again, SSF ladder sounds very much like paragon in d3 and with so many people botting or paying others for their paragon levels, where is the competition at that point? We will be back at square one with folks crying about the ladder being full of disingenuous players…
I suppose just for the option to do so?
If you want to question the point of a SSF ladder for reasons, then we might as well question the point of the ladder as it is right now for the very same reasons.
One good thing I could see coming from a SSF ladder is serving as an aid for Blizzard to better balance the classes… If they are planning to do so that is.
But I’m not questioning it. Y’all are complaining about how pointless current ladder is and how rampant botting and RMT users ruin the competition and I’m trying to explain it would be NO different if they introduced a SSF ladder, so I’m failing to understand the difference here. Is it a mental thing?
“Hey, I’m a SSF player that is going to play ladder.”
“Hey, I want to see how I rank versus other SSF players who play ladder.”
“Oh, I can’t. There is currently no way to see that. Bummer.”
Ok so lets introduce a new ladder that will also be rampant with botters and paid levelers then all these legit SSF players will still be bummed out that they rank #28474
What is the benefit? Better than rank #938498 on normal ladder? You can tell your friends, I play on this ladder that is separate from the majority of players where you play by yourself and you are ranked inside top 5000 of highest dudus! I don’t see the appeal…
While it is true that what you say will be an issue in any ladder mode imaginable, I think you’re too laser focused on the problems with the game, avoiding the plain and simple idea of just wanting to see how one ranks versus other SSF players, which currently is not possible.
Since this conversation is going nowhere, I’m bowing out.
Because it is a pipedream to think otherwise! They had no answer to everyone botting their paragon levels, ain’t like d3 had a uber trist level exploit like d2 did, so where do we get this belief that blizz is capable of introducing a separate ladder for d2r and maintain its integrity… it would be a crapshow just like how the current ladder system is, there is no point just to enhance a few epeen please…
In a perfect world yes i would love a perfectly managed SSF ladder but in reality, even ploot in d2r has more merit than it…
Agreed.
The cost in resources would simply be too high to totally enforce a fair and legit ladder. It simply will not happen.
The primary goal of these companies are to make and sell games. I am pretty sure they always have seen hiring and diverting resources to monitor what gamers do in their games as a real PITA and waste in the end.
idk why people complaining about botting, the only bots that are an issue are spam bots and pk bots.
oh noes its easier to trade for the item i want… how terrible…
i have no idea wtf is wrong with people where they want a SSF “ladder”
bro that’s literally single player
are people so conceited they are trying to prove yourself to strangers on the internet is some made up “leaderboard”??
then they’re going to cry because u have a job and you cant play 12 hours a day like a streamer… or 24 hours a day like a bot and the leaderboard is “ruined”.
leaderboards has only ever meant one thing… how much free time you have.
so you want to show off to people how you have no life?
i mean i love d2 as much as the next person but seriously guys.
who even are these pathetic SSF people. its called single player… you have it already.
stop trying to get into a D measuring contest. with “oh i want leader-boards in single player”
and how that’s “somehow going to mean something”
Spambots and RMT bots go hand in hand… You hate the spam, yet you don’t seem to mind that the bots make obtaining the items easy. Oh the irony.
What’s your problem against allowing SSF players viewing the ranks compared to each other? It’s not like the current ladder isn’t already a “giant D waving contest”. Yeah, SSF ladder would be a climb playing single player, without the ability to drop the CC/FG down for items that would accelerate your progression.
The only legitimate reason I can think of why someone would not want a SSF ladder is because it would hurt their online RMT item selling business.
I mean… the majority of botting is for RMT, which would not exist in theoretical SSF. Maybe a few dick-wads cheat in SSF ladder, but for what purpose? Sell? No. Grief? maybe… maybe a far less effective and practically invisible form of griefing. Anyways, neo-Buzzard engaged in flagrant false advertisement and massive corner-cutting on this product, so they owe us (a lot) more work. Functional chat comes first, then replacing removed features, then SSF ladder would not be objectionable.
It’s also the people that play for economy reset that shoot the idea down because it offers them nothing.
If Blizzard implented the SSF ladder, every season there would be great content to watch on Twitch. It would also inspire others to learn how to play their class in the most optimal way possible.
Hardcore ladder would be extremely fun to play. It has nothing to do with a d measuring contest. Botting is irrelevant here. Yeah I’m sure some guy is going to create a Barbarian bot in hardcore ladder just to get first on the Barbarian ladder.
It’s a good idea. It’s not happening because Blizzard are 
's and that’s that.