Never botted in my life, and I’m entirely sensitive to every type of player (I’ve run the gamut from noob to experienced and everything in-between myself)
I just don’t think it’s a problem, sorry.
If new players need Johnny on the Spot free respecs like D3 then there is something wrong with them. There are a lot of builds that a player can use to beat normal. Along with probably do pretty well or even clear nightmare. I ought to know I had a messed up Glacial Spike build that I made on my own and I took it well into hell difficulty. Where I was close to the quest to beat the ancients in hell. But the problem was I knew that I wasn’t gonna be able to do it. Nor did I have the merc that could help with the cold immune as well. That was not optimized nor did I have a lot of good gear either.
Adding Johnny on the Spot free respecs will hurt the game because now the game will be like D3. Where each class isn’t truly unique. There would be no need to re-roll which is part of the endgame btw.
D2R like D2:LOD doesn’t have a paragon to chase after. The only end game for D2R is completing builds then re-rolling new characters of the same class to try different builds. Removing the need to re-level other characters of the same class is just saying you want all characters of the same class to be the same. Where the only difference is the gear they are wearing. A barbie doll like D3 with skill and stat points being the only difference.
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if this is the intended end game how come you are limited to 20 characters including mules per cd key?
i have enough tokens to respec when i want but i still have 2 sorcs because it’s more convenient even with free respecs i would still have multiples of many of the classes because it’s easier to do that than carry around 2-4 sets of gear and have to swap everything constantly.
you like many on this forum are blinded by your hate of d3, you seem to think anything that is remotely similar in functionality will turn d2 into d3 but that just isn’t the case.
What can’t keep one space open for recreating characters. Why are so many players using mules in the first place. I have no doubt there are many items that are as common as dirt if you know how to farm for them. I think that there are a lot of players that are keeping way more items than they need to. I really believe that D2R can be played without mules at all. So there are more than enough spaces to re-roll.
Oh and you swap each and every slot all of the time. I find that hard to believe, even if you are playing different specs. There is no gear that I know of that would make you want to give up certain rune words or decent uniques that are used in endgame. It is not like D3 here is a set and its supporting legendariies. D2R is not like that at ail.
When speaking about the relationship to D3 and D2 I speak the truth of how others feel about the matter and when I am playing D2R I will agree with them. Even though I like D3 for what it is. Still I don’t want to D3’ize D2R. What’s next ouch it just hurts to put in the effort to think about how to spend points so remove them. The same with runes and rune words. Does D2R have to become a spitting image of D3 only darker. I say no to anything close to it and Johnny on the Spot respecs are one of them.
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I have five sorceresses in my main lineup:
Lightning - Frozen Orb
Blizzard - Fireball
Hydra - Fireball - Frozen Orb
Glacial Spike - Fireball
Frost Nova - Nova
Three necromancers:
Poisonmancer
Bonemancer
Summoner
Two paladins:
Zealot
Hammerdin
Two barbarians:
Double Swing - whirlwind (Max strength and low health)
Concentration (Max defense and safety, high health)
Two amazons:
Magezon
Bowazon
One assassin:
Bad idea claw assassin hell difficulty mule
Then the rest of my slots are druid builds:
Mule for gems and runes
Mule for worthwhile uniques
Mule for godly rares
Mule for charms
Werewolf druid for storing useful quest items
You need one character for each build, after all.
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a lot of us don’t feel like cheating so we don’t use currency out side of the game and we need to keep our wealth in items… runes don’t stack and take up a lot of space very quickly. and the shakos i haven’t sold yet are 4x as big as the runes unfortunately.
a set doesn’t have to include every slot but yes i do have different items for different specs and different use cases for those specs, i don’t use the same gear to mf and to rush for example.
there is no effort to think about how to spend points, for almost every character worth playing its enough str to equip gear and rest in vit. the fact you think depth exists in a system that has been on cookie cutter mode for well over a decade is amusing.
that being said just because you can respec doesn’t make itemization, skills, or gameplay anything like d3 which is run on entirely different systems.
Again people are using the fact that it is easy to get tokens so you can respec any time you want as a reason to not need to add free respecs, i see it as the opposite. The fact that people who know what they are doing have unlimited respecs but the new players don’t is the reverse of what is needed in the game.
So you are saying you need mules for trading purposes. Then I might be right that the game can be played without mules if you don’t do any trading.
I think that I can find a way where I won’t have to do much gear swapping. It all depends on how I setup each character. If I do it much like I have done thus far with D3. When I would have one character that I would use to farm for ubers and that one would only have a few pieces that might need to be swapped in order to get the job done.
The MF farmer for the rest can stay in MF gear the whole time.
It does have more depth than D3. D3 it is just equip set with supporting legendaries, legendary gems, augment gear when needed. Then chase paragon when your gear has progressed enough where the only thing left would be the very small upgrades in the 1% range of upgrades if that.
In D2 you have to at least think about how you will level the chosen spec. I highly doubt you can easily take a Blizzard sorc identical to how it will be at level 99. Where only one point into Warmth. I am trying out my own leveling spec for that right now and it is going fine. Also how much strength and maybe dex is needed before you get your endgame gear. It is not like enigma, fortitude, chains of honor, Sanctuary, or any uniques that your build needs falls out of the sky like rain.
But it could take it down that road toward doing just that.
Johnny on the spot free respecs at any time is not the same as earning them by farming for the essences to get them. It is not like with essences you can one minute be a pure cold sorc. Then run into cold immunes and port back to town then change to fire with a few clicks of some buttons.
This is what is likely to happen if D3’s johnny on the spot free respecs are added. Plus it removes part of the endgame. In D2 and D2R part of the endgame is leveling new characters to try out new builds. This game doesn’t have any paragon to chase after nor anything else to chase after except for perfect gear.
that’s not what i said, i said the wealth is stored on an account instead of on a forum with a currency that is against the eula to trade for.
i know you feel your way is the only way to play but other people play differently.
in d3 you still have to level up and get to the point where you can get those sets and legendaries and equip them.
this is the exact same as d3 lol you can’t use the same spec before you get the set gear as you use after it changes how you play completely.
well i mean technically you can for both that is how i played d2lod for years before respec just make a crap character that doesn’t work till you hit a certain level but it’s not fun for solo and its not nice to the others in the group if playing multiplayer. (you can also play d3 with a terrible spec made for gear you don’t have but it sucks)
not really you just need to look up the optimal leveling spec for a given class and playstyle and copy that then respec with 1 of the 3 quest respecs.
and not making respecs free and easy could also have a future with d3 itemization, skills and gameplay.
actually that’s exactly how tokens of absolution work…
Why do I need to keep a ton of stuff that is very valuable if I am not gonna use it in trade. It just takes up space that can be better used for other things.
Not at all, I am saying a way that would greatly reduce the need for changing a lot of pieces of gear. Thus making mules less needed.
If the same D3 respec is in D2, you only have to level up once and that is it. After that just a few clicks on some buttons and you are ready to go as another spec. If you have the gear for it then you don’t have to do anything else just play the build to test it out.
Whereas without that respec you have to level another character of another class or earn the respec by farming for it.
Oh and go optimal where it is always that one spec and only one spec. Great idea if you don’t mind playing that spec. I don’t like what maxroll says for barb leveling spec because it means I would have to have it where the merc either does most of the killing or all of it.
If they never go down the route of D3’izing one part of D2R then the chances of them doing it to other parts is slim to none.
That is only if you already have them. Since they take up space that might be better for other things it would be better to earn them as you intend to use them.
i never said YOU did, i said players might not everything is about specifically you.
yes but you are saying people shouldn’t get the option because you don’t need it, instead people should just play like you since you don’t want them to have any other choices.
yes the same as in d2 currently for anyone who has played the game before hell bosses are easy to farm and have a ton of token, the feature only really would affect new players like i said.
or buy the respec token but yes that’s the point it’s an arbitrary hurdle that doesn’t have an impact on players who know what they are doing but hurts new players greatly.
that’s speculation it could be not changing it makes it much more likely they would change a different aspect because “hey we didn’t change respecs so changing this would be okay” or less likely to change something after changing it because “we already changed something that some of the community feels is like d3 so we shouldn’t change more and anger them”
or it’s better to have something in case you want to use it than want to use something and not have it. Some people like to think ahead and be prepared.
No my friend, make a crap character that doesn’t work AFTER you hit a certain level.
And this fascism, this obligatory “you shall only play like I (maxroll) tell you” is your preferred game mode, for not allowing players easier respecs? Because some idiot took that decision 20 years ago?
Luckily, Blizzard are making changes to D2R, and I hope it is another area they will change.
It is so frustrating to watch the forum trolls object to any kind of changes, an almost blanket approach, just because “classic”. If you do not like the extra stash tabs, respecs, actionbar, then DO NOT use it, it’s that simple.
I’m adamantly and vehemently against “free and easy” skill resets in this game.
As water chooses the path of least resistance, people will always choose the “easiest” path.
I’m all for including some refinements to the UI that prevent “mistakes” such as confirmation of choices… (like “I accidently Shift-Clicked a single attribute!”) but once a choice is made, that should be final.
Are you also against more stash tabs, actionbar, stackable items, skills balancing reworks, IAS (deliberate or not) changes, immunities, bugs that players had been depending on for years now fixed, etc etc? Or is it just skill resets you are having an issue with?
Have you looked at my skills reset proposal? You join a game, you can reset skills in town, if you leave town your stats are now locked. You leave a game, join another game, change your skills, you cannot come back to the first game. Basically to stop people taking the piss. I am sure the devs can work it out whatever I have not thought about.
And what is it to you how others play their game? If there are skill resets options, just like there will be an actionbar or shared stash tabs, and you do not like it, do not use it. Why do you feel the need to dictate what others should do?
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Although these questions seem a bit irrelevant to the current subject, and it’s conflating the actual topic being discussed, I’ll go ahead and humor you here. Not sure why you think my opinion on various OTHER topics is relevant, but here goes…
- Stash tabs - Yes, I am against it. Inventory management is part of the challenge of the game.
- Actionbar - Nope. I am totally for it because providing more input options doesn’t decrease difficulty- the game mechanics still remain unchanged.
- Stackable Items - As long as they’re crafting items ONLY, then I am all for a Stackables tab that is only accessible from the Stash, not one that you can carry around at all times.
- Skill Balancing Reworks - No, but they must all be carefully considered on a class basis, and it’s going to be highly subjective. (and a much longer conversation)
- IAS - ??? Not sure what you mean here. Increased Attack Speed?
- Immunities - I really don’t have an opinion on this. Changes to immunities in the game (either positive or negative) would also change the mechanics of the game, so I believe they must be carefully considered. I also think without a preceding class balance pass, it would be jumping the gun a bit as not all of them use elemental or physical damage.
- Bugs - that’s rather vague, considering it really depends on what one considers a “bug” to begin with. Lots of people seem to think because their computer is a potato the game is “bugged”, or that because they can’t do something in the game, it’s “bugged” etc. Not really a subject I’d care to get into, as it’s hugely dependent on one’s definition of what a “bug” is.
Skill resets aren’t the only thing I “have an issue with” and I’m sure it’s not the only thing you do, either. Now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, what does all that matter?
What it “is to me”, is that changes affect everyone who plays the game, not just the people requesting the changes. Therefore, they must be carefully considered, period. I’m not “dictating” anything, I’m voicing my adversity and dissent and you simply don’t agree. And that’s fine, you can disagree all you like, but it’s still not me “dictating”.
I have given some thoughts on this, and I think the pro of free(easier) respec outweighs the cons.
The mean reasons I can think of for respec not easy are
Make decision matters. Learn from mistakes
Defeat purpose of another character of same class
Make game more challenging.( subjective)
But if we considered from a ladder perspective.
You are going to reset a way so the “ do not need to create another char of same class” isn’t strong. With ladder, you always create new chars.
I think respec encourages gamers to more welling my experience while they level play, and try our different skills, gears, builds. Besides from my own experience, with games with easy respec, you do not respec that often as it takes time,5-10mins to respec that people will not “abuse” really.
I am strong believer of learning! And learning from mistake. But I feel learning g from experiencing an be better than restart all over again but maybe it’s will be better.
I feel hard to respec make people less adventurous in making their own builds.
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I’m all for an easier respec, because:
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Casual players don’t have as much access to respec tokens as non-casuals. And casuals are just as important to the longevity of the game as non-casuals. I know a lot of people don’t like casuals, and wish they would just go away, but they paid for the game too. And they vote with their feet.
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Easier respecs take the sting out of skill nerfs. It feels terrible to do your research, plan your build, use a precious respec – then your build gets nerfed. For some players, that means that character is dead in the water. As to the likelihood of nerfs, the Cold Mastery nerf comes to mind, and with the popularity of Firewall these days, I won’t be surprised if it gets the nerf bat soon, too.
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Want to try something wacky or weird? Try a painless respec and see how it works. In the current system, we get locked into 1 build, and 1 build only, and this discourages experimentation and build diversity.
And in case any of you want to play the “uphill both ways in the snow to school” argument, I played Legacy when there were no respecs. I remember what it was like, and I was glad to see respecs added to the game.
I do agree with this point.
Personally I think anytime they perform a “balance change” in a patch, Respecs should be available as an option, period. If you choose not to, and confirm, then that’s on you. But no one should be held responsible for someone else’s choices.
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Ez modokkal nem működik sajnos. Tesztelve. A modokat is úgy kell futtatni hogy pont ide kell rakni a parancsokat. Ez miatt gondolom nem megy. sajnos.
“This doesn’t work with mods unfortunately. Tested. Mods must also be run by placing commands right here. That’s why I don’t think it’s going. unfortunately.”
Next patch:
- New respec method added - talk to Geglash for a respec any time. Reduces your current level and character max level by 1.
… casuals aren’t gunning for lvl 99 anyway.
No?
- Bnet launcher updated - tokens of absolution now available for the low low price of $9.99 each. Get ready your Jeweller’s Credit Card of the Whale.
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YES for infinite respecs on Normal so new/old Players could test skills after balance changes, NM + Hell should stay the same, but Essences should dropping on NM too.
FIXED.