I have no idea why you thought ruining the game would be fun, but I’m tired of you babies only thinking of yourselves. If you’re not even going to play the game, why not let the people who are actually going to enjoy it do so. Grow up.
How do botters affect your game(s) ?
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Do you really have to ask? Ladder race, economy, leecher community etc.
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It ruins the economy , like OP and the guy above said .
It makes many of the uniques , which ARE still commonly farmed by many of the starting char much , much less valuable , therefore much harder for them to farm and sell their way to access to high end runes .
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how is the economy ruined? everything is cheaper than it was 4 weeks ago. you can get a shako for a pul rune. i thought high runes were TOOOOOOOOO RARE AND DROP RATES NEED TO BE FIXED TO HELP AVERAGE PLAYERS!!! it cost an ohm for a shako a month ago.
people who find high runes right now are holding out for TIPPY TOP TIER PRICES on RMT websites which has artificially inflated the value of vex+ runes thus giving higher value to ist/um/gul/mal which increases their value which means you can get more for less farming.
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It devalues pretty much everything besides perfects and high runes to a degree.
Making more and more “runs” useless as only a handful of items have significant value and everything else no one wants to trade.
If you just want easy items with no effort I get it, but it does ruin the average experience.
you have people on both sides of the fence skraminc, people who want gear to be cheap so they don’t have to work hard to gear their characters, and people who want the items they have to hold their value.
the smarter of the two, is the latter… having SO MANY shakos that they are deemed invaluable for the average player isn’t necessarily a good thing. because when you do find one, you either wear it (doubt it because you probably already have one on account if it being so cheap) and then you can’t sell it for anything because johnny botter already found 20 this week and sold them for peanuts. you understand yet?
The game does not support any means for persistent trading, no AH, no market prices dissemination, no offline trading, no independent counterparty, clearing house or storage of merchandise. There is NO economy in-game other than the most primitive direct trading.
You are using the game for what it is not intended, and you are resorting to 3rd party external websites and providers to carry out trading, and no one’s stopping you, good luck making cash, but the majority of players do not know or care about d2jsp, ebay etc
The developers of the game should look to fixing bugs and making QoL and content updates before worrying about current “prices” of a BER rune…
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I agree but you are using that as a defense for cheating. It’s like my job at the bank didn’t pay me enough so I just robbed it.
I mean sure, that did make it easier, but you still broke the law, even if it benefits you. You can’t say your fellow employees wouldn’t also like to rob the bank but it does effect others and how they would play.
When I botted my justification was I saw constant bots not being shut down so I joined in… was it true, sure, was I wrong to do it, yup… do I know I greatly benefitted compared to others…yuuuupp 
Edit: oddly when I botted I never used d2jsp or knew about it…if I did I could only imagine my fg, I just kept what I wanted and gave the rest for my buddy to trade for me because I sucked at it.
then the price of the shako is relative to its availability. thus increasing the price of a pul rune which is easier to find for a regular person than a botter who can find a ber rune and if you happen to find a ber rune then you’ve now be inserted into a much larger market than would have been available to you prior.
And thats ruined economy lol.
If botters makes items cheaper its hard to sell stuff you find in legit way. How is that so hard to understand?
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diablo 2 has a very simplistic economy. it’s a non-fiat economy. there are value standards based on declared rarity and utility and there is no central authority on the value of anything; it’s mostly meritocratic based upon player’s dedication to spending time to find items of value, of which there is a very concentrated set of items which meet this criteria: unique rings, high runes, and a small minority of super utility items.
there are a few outlier sources that disrupt this like RMT third parties and D2JSP but they only remove or affect a small portion of the economy to a grey market and it would be hard to argue that this has a massive impact on diablo2’s economy.
you can play normally and exceptionally without any impact based on these sources if you play as the developers intended. i think a lot of the complaints about systems that are now 22 years old is that you’ve been dragged, unwittingly, into pure fiat, centrally governed systems of monetary policy just based on the trejectory of the modern world. diablo 2 isn’t an particularly ancient or archaic system, it’s just based on your luck and dedication and minor outside forces of a fraction of players who try to circumvent the game system.
Except there is. Practicaly all items have ± set value in certain range and based on length of season that price is going down, for certain items it might even go up tho.
What massive botting does is it lower price of items significantly so it is much harder to sell items you normaly find without botting as there is less demand and market is saturated by items found by bots.
This sucks because you have to invest many hours to find something valuable which doesnt have price destroyed by bots yet.
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No, because I have already said,
Therefore I acknowledge that bots are a cheat, however there are much, much bigger fish to fry. I’d rather they fixed my Bowazon first, gave me more stash space etc
There is a lot of BS in this thread already, but let me sum it up. Gear value goes down when there is more availability, rune value goes down when there is more availability. As soon as the new item enters the market, its value goes down. You cheaters like to think you’re not affecting anyone but if the item exists in the game, then by default it affects everyone. I would much rather an enigma be expensive forever and not obtain one than have 50 enigmas that I can’t sell.
The point of this game is to grind. A lot of people on this forum like to complain that there is no end-game content, but the real fun is making your character better. Everyone wants end-game gear immediately for some reason, negating the entire point of playing the game. Like I said in my original post, you botters aren’t even playing the game and you’re ruining it for everyone.
If I can’t sell my vipermagi for an ist because market value demands it be pul? Then how am I ever going to achieve what I need for end-game? I’m tired of people being selfish and then claiming that their actions don’t affect anyone else. Grow up.
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you… don’t get it. not gonna even try and explain anything further. you want the botters, we get it.
Of course they bot when noone is banning them. Blame Blizz instead.
there is no widespread public bot in d2r lmao
there are pixel bots from what i’ve seen that do pindle/shenk
but no full game mf bots
i was in a baal run yesterday and some noob was complaining how our runner was a bot when they clearly weren’t lmao
just because people are fully geared doesn’t mean they are bots.
My absolute favourite is when people talk about d2 having an “economy”.
Which Bots are we talking about today? The ones everyone complain about, but have no evidence of?
That’s what I thought…
You should not actually link those on forum , they are illegal programs .
There are actually a bunch of them videos on youtube and ppl are selling these programs . Not hard to find if you dig around .
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