I mean they named a troll king Rastakhan in the 90s and have like 6 Black employees in the Game Team and the only Native employee I am aware of in the company left because she got tired of being overworked and underpaid.
I mean to wit, it’s evident that Blizzard were going to make the Djaradin the Troll Precursor Race, and have since walked that back on Alpha and now they’re just a normal Evil Elemental Humanoid Race That Happen To Wear And USe IRL Polynesian Aesthetics In Similar Ways To Troll Aesthetics.
You know what bothers me about the “We didn’t play Pax Nelfana, so we can’t be held accountable” argument?
The number of people who played War of Thorns is impossibly small. Every day Warcraft loses new players, and WoT hasn’t been in the game since BFA launched. Furthermore? It was forced content: we didn’t have a choice.
Ahh. The amount of people who have the WoT mounts I’m sure are extremely small. Lots of people generally skip pre expansion content as it usually never bought up again when the expansion actually goes live.
Okay, but again I have to stress that the global genocide (which I’ve yet to see a single person denying from the Alliance, but granted I haven’t been active in the story forums very long) was thousands and thousands of years ago.
Which is what really prompted this entire thing.
The other acts of genocide, those are a different matter entirely. I am actually surprised that the Alliance is not held to a higher standard when it comes to what happened in Zuldazar. The Alliance absolutely should be, although there are differences which also need to be taken into account. I’ve actually had to remind folks about the genocide of the Tauren, because there are Alliance players who refuse to see anything the Alliance has done as ‘bad’ when that’s obviously not the case. Genocide, slavery, racism, it’s all there.
I just don’t see the point of getting hung up on an act committed by a long dead empire, when it is extremely likely that the majority of the people who engaged in that act are now dead. But that’s just me, I suppose.
I acknowledge it, I recognize it has horrible, I just don’t get hung up on it because of how it was over 10,000 years ago.
I just wanna point out, that because the Kaldorei are a long lived race, you do realize that’s not that long ago for them right? At least compared to the much shorter lived races. Tyrande and Co are all 10K yrs old after all
Zerde et al. have made the argument that the trolls deserved it. Zerde specifically made that argument in this very thread.
I want to say that Zahir did too, but I’m not 100% on that one.
I think it’s fair to say that more nelves (vendors, not named main cast characters) died in Teldrassil than Trolls did in Zandalar. But the Dark Irons specifically go out of their way to murder civilians during the raid. And, again, the Alliance killed the entire navy, then so many soldiers than Talanji laments that the army cannot muster.
Teldrassil may be worse, but is it an appreciable difference in the story?
RACE OF IMMORTALS
This just rings like “The Night Elves deftly evaded punishment long enough for the Statue of Limitations to go into play so nothing can be done about it.”
So, what, should the Horde just deftly evade punishment the same way?
I wonder what Nelf players would say about that?
Only because the Night Elves gained immortality thanks to the blessing of the Dragonflights. The Night Elves are not a naturally immortal race. The Night Elves who engaged in the Troll Genocide were likely ancient or long dead by the time the War of the Ancients began.
It’s estimated that an Elf can live for around 3,800 years. Although there are conflicting records on maximum lifespan. Anaesterian was considered ancient and he was just over 3000 years old, although whether he was ancient solely because of his age or the stresses of leadership is unknown.
So if we accept that Elves are ancient at around 3000 years, then all the elves who engaged in that genocide would either be extremely ancient or dead by the time the War of the Ancients began. Also the bulk of the Night Elf population was wiped out by the Sundering. Those that weren’t killed outright were likely transformed into Naga by N’zoth thanks to Queen Azshara’s bargain.
Is it possible that there’s some really old grandpa elf who was alive during the troll genocide and somehow survived the War of the Ancients and the Sundering and has become an immortal grandpa? It’s possible, sure, but also probably unlikely.
I get where you’re coming from. But why is that it is ALWAYS alliance players who insist that one event never be bought or talked about because It happened so long ago but will bring up every single criminal act the horde has done as if it all happened yesterday?
Again, either we all start being more honest and talk about the crimes BOTH sides commited, regardless of how long ago they occurred, or we can stop dragging horde players and the faction through the mud constantly.
If ya’ll okay with talking about Teldrassil, than we’re golden about bringing up the GLOBAL genocide the Kaldorei participated in. Regardless of who’s alive and who isn’t.
To be fair, I’d be saying the exact same thing if the situation was reversed. If there were records of the the races of the Horde engaging in genocide tens of thousands of years ago, I would be telling any Alliance player who got miffed about it that it was a long time ago.
Which oddly enough we do have records of, as the Ogres did engage in genocide themselves, wiping out all the Ogron tribes that existed on Draenor in the main universe timeline and in turn the Ogres were genocided by the Orcs until they were a shadow of their former selves compared to the great empire they used to have.
But, you do understand why people find it hypocritical that one event is allowed to be bought up CONSTANTLY, even though we were FORCED into to doing, but Kaldorei and their empire building? Off limits, don’t mention it, doesn’t count, happened in ancient times, etc.
Either it ALL counts or none of it does. Get it where we’re coming from?
I mean, I get it but also… I just can’t shake off the whole time thing.
Okay, so if this was a ‘oh it’s hypocritical’ comparison between Teldrassil and Zuldazar. That I could totally understand. Both events happened in the same year, both involved an enemy army destroying a city, both had civilians being slaughtered, both involved an immense loss of life.
So if someone was saying “Oh pipe down about Zuldazar, it wasn’t a big deal!” but then they got really upset about Teldrassil I’d be calling them out for their hypocrisy myself.
But I can’t justify that same argument when we go back over 13,000 years. That just doesn’t make sense to me. Recognize that it happened, yes. Recognize the gravity of what was done, yes. But trying to use it as a “Well you did this to us!” style argument just doesn’t work for me.
The other issue here is we are STILL MASSACRING trolls and devastating their cities left and right. It hasn’t stopped and a ton of people just want to look the other way about it.
It’s not like it was a one off deal that happened X amount of years ago
Recognize that it happened, recognize the gravity of what happened, but getting hung up on it is honestly a bit foolish.
We don’t get hung up on the genocides committed by the Roman Empire or the Persian Empire for example. I mean hell, the Romans wiped out the entire town of Carthage in 146 BC. That gets mentioned in history, sure, but if you tried to get upset about hypocrisy and brought up the Roman destruction of Carthage as a ‘yeah but look at this.’ pretty much every historian would tell you to pipe down because that happened thousands of years ago.
By all means get upset at the hypocrisy on display when it comes to Zuldazar and Teldrassil. Go right ahead. But ancient history is exactly that, ancient. No troll alive today in WoW lore was alive when the Night Elves genocided the trolls to build their empire, and I highly doubt any Night Elf alive today was around when that happened either (although immortal grandpa elf could theoretically be a thing).
Either way I see no reason to continue this argument, since we’re going around in circles. So I’m going to mute the thread and step out. Ya’ll have a nice night.
Again, the perpetrators are still alive and unpunished. 13,000 years is a lot to you or I, scores upon scores, upon scores, upon scores of humans have been born, and lived, and died in that time.
But Night Elves just keep on tickin’.
And again,
The game (and indeed nelf players) react as if Genocide alone is what makes an act unconscionable. Trolls have been underwritten the game’s entire play. It’s been celebrated to kill them – a whole player race relegated to high fiving over being murdered.
And, again, Trollbane + Strom’kar the Trollbreaker.
