Per usual, you miss the forest for the trees and don’t understand the point you’re arguing against.
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I feel to a degree they felt a need to justify the Balance spec, which gets its power from Elune. It has always been a bit awkward.
The way I headcanon it, the Lun’alai are an echo of the original Dark Troll Traditions, which also survived in Kaldorei culture as the Druids of the Moon. The Sisterhood of Elune is a branching off of those traditions with far stricter orthodoxy and little focus on nature and one’s place in it.
It is worth noting other trolls do not regard Elune as a Loa. They think the Lun’alai are weirdos for having anything to do with a being that just gives power for ‘free’. That isn’t how Loa work and it is really sketchy from a Troll perspective.
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but dark trolls weren’t in zandalar, nor even welcome there.
This is not beneficial for troll lore, because the Luna’lai, from whomst this is sourced, see her as above Loa. Better than.
We do not really know that. They for sure in general did not commonly mingle, but it is hard to say there was some hard line where no one talked to anyone else over many millennia. That is rather silly to imagine to me.
I use headcanon to glue together the big weird holes all over the lore. You can come to different conclusions if you wish.
I do not see the issue, really. It is just a group of people who have odd spiritual traditions in full clash with everyone else in their civilization. It isnt like there is a shrine to Elune in Dazar’alor. To the larger civilization the Lun’alai are flat out weird and wrong. That is the more important note.
But also, again, they are trying to justify a druid spec specifically all about wielding Elune’s power. With the other trolls they opted to simply ignore it, but in this case they tried to make a little lore for it.
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The dark trolls were unconcerned with the other tribes’ skirmishes and cherished their independence from the rest of troll society, mostly ignoring the activity of the other tribes.
You would if it was Night Elves worshiping Bwonsamdi over Elune, stating he was a god beyond and above her.
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… no I would not. At least, not if it was framed the same—It’s culturally aberrant, and is treated as such. If there was some minor Bwonsamdi Kaldorei sect other Kaldorei treat as weird I would call it odd, but weird stuff gives texture.
And anyways, Kaldorei worship all sorts of spirits aside from Elune. There are a number of Wild God temples and shrines.
So, yeah. Please do not presume to know how I think.
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The Luna’lai state that loahood is lesser than Elune.
Pressing X to Doubt.
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…why would I? If Tyrande toppled the temple to Elune in the Broken Isles and built a temple to the Holy Light, pronouncing all Kaldorei would follow the will of the Naaru then yeah, I would call it out as a gross incongruity to their presented Lore.
That isn’t what is presented here. A minor cult can believe whatever it wants. Honestly, I find it fascinating to see how a culture reacts to peculiar edge cases like this, as they reveal a lot about a people. So, yeah, I find your mindset on this weird.
And, also kindly stop twisting what I say out of context. Sigh.
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You alright, dude? You seem unduly concerned about this Troll issue.
Pffft. Way to completely twist what I’m saying. How in the world could someone misinterpret such an easy to understand statement? It truly boggles the mind. You really shouldn’t be throwing around “hypocrite.”
Bricks from glass houses and all that.
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Unduly?
Every expansion has a troll raid except, what, WoD?
It’s the most evil thing you can do to genocide night elves, but the Alliance is celebrated each and every time they do it to trolls.
I’m tired of the double standard.
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Uhh… sure, but most of those trolls were enemies to both factions. It’s not like we were stamping all over the Horde multiple times in a row.
Worst case scenario of us hitting the Horde Trolls was in BFA with the Zandalari. That’s pretty much it.
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Another issue, really. Blizzard’s devs are pretty clearly not a fan of Trolls. One of the troll skins in the game files is named a word that rhymes with spit.
https://twitter.com/platinumwow654/status/1553076423639740416?s=21&t=CheYXc1yWGbvJN6__JIIog
The Horde is not celebrated for burning Teldrassil.
But you best believe that the Alliance is celebrated for wiping the troll empires out.
The kings of Stromgarde are Trollbane.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/1/17/Troll_Wars_magi.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20160317181754
“The Trolls deserved to be genocided” is the underlying counter argument.
But god help you if you’re Horde and even saw Teldrassil burn at a distance.
But friend, Teldrassil is a drop in the bucket compared to what the Night Elves have done to the trolls. And it’s all in living memory for them.
https://imgur.com/a/ZGTUEJN
Compare Teldrassil to this and tell me in good faith that Blizzard handles the two races with an even hand.
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He’s talking about when the Kaldorei were expanding their empire and mercilessly wiped out untold number of troll tribes. Tribes we’ll never learn about now.
The kaldorei did it on a GLOBAL scale and nobody blinks an eye, the horde did to a tree and everyone expects them to be the tar and feathered for eternity for it.
That’s the double standard he and others have issue with
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Okay, sure, but we weren’t a part of that as players, and it’s really, really, REALLY ancient history.
It seems like a really strange thing to get uppity about, all things considered. The majority of the Night Elves who engaged in that slaughter are either dead, or are naga, in which case they’re probably also dead.
It would be a different situation entirely if say the Alliance razed the Echo Isles, went completely scorched earth on it, and left nothing but a smoking crater behind and then there wasn’t any outrage and it was celebrated. But that’s not what’s happened.
There have been multiple cases of genocide that have occurred in WoW lore. From the aforementioned Night Elves wiping out the trolls to take territory for their empire, to the Orcs wiping out the Draenei in Draenor and creating the Path of Glory with their bones, to the Dwarves wiping out an entire tribe of Tauren in the Barrens so they could turn their land into a digsite.
None of it is celebrated.
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Pax Nelfana may be, but Trollbane absolutely isn’t.
Nor is Zandalar. Tell me with a straight face that the Alliance is raked over the coals about Zandalar the way that the Horde is about Teldrassil.
The race is immortal. So… probably not? Even the lowborn were madly in love with Azshara at the time.
Nah, instead it’s that they killed so many Zandalari trolls that Queen Talanji mentions that the army can barely muster in the Roux book.
Uh, no.
Alliance is regularly celebrated for it.
Again, Trollbane.
What was Legion’s arms warrior artifact again?
Its super power was making trolls, an entire race, cry in fear.
That’s the thing though. Just because a thing happened in Ancient Times or the people involved are now dead, doesn’t erase what took place. It still happened and nobody seems to bat an eye on that, but people expected the horde to pay for eternity for teldrassil.
Just look at some of the insane reparations people have demanded from the story.
It’s the LORE forum though, so either we talk about ALL of it or what’s the entire point being here?
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I’m not saying it shouldn’t be talked about, it just seems strange to get upset about it and hold it to the standards that we hold the destruction of Teldrassil to.
Like, I’m not saying it should be ignored, swept under a rug or otherwise glossed over. Like, sure, acknowledge that it happened, but also acknowledge that ancient times were very different from modern times.
We don’t hold the Roman Empire to the same standard that we hold a modern country. We recognize that they did horrible things in the name of empire, including genocide, slavery etc, but we don’t get outraged about it either. Does that make sense?
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The Romans who performed the deed aren’t currently alive.
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It’s not about being upset over it. It’s about gently reminding alliance players, that the Kaldorei comitted a GLOBAL genocide and that even the dwarves, in the last few years wiped out a troll and tauren tribe respectfully.
Just pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy on why one side is held to a higher standard over the other.
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