You're welcome Alliance

11/03/2018 07:06 PMPosted by Rennekin
11/03/2018 06:59 PMPosted by Bearj
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How do u know that was changed and wasn't already plan to give a choice in that situation?

The playerbase is just quick to yell wolf about everything even if its unfinished horde does it but the Alliance is 100x worse always crying horde bias for any reason they can find


Horde complain too. But the devs respond to them. Which is why it always looks like Alliance 'cry' longer and louder than Horde ever do. It really only ever takes one-three forums posts for Horde ptr content to change--> which is literally what happened with the Saurfang questline.

It takes the notoriety of red-shirt guy to write a insanely detailed and well argued blog post to get the Tyrande & Nathanos fight changed to be reasonable. and again, we've been complaining that Alliance was always portrayed as incompetent losers since war of the thorns.


Proof of this is how quickly they changed Zandalari Paladins and compare that to let's say Woren Female models. Or better yet we can compare it to how long it takes for blizzard to realize the mistake of not letting Kul Tirans be mages.

I'm going to put myself out there and predict.....It's much much longer between responses.
11/03/2018 07:06 PMPosted by Rennekin
11/03/2018 06:59 PMPosted by Bearj
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How do u know that was changed and wasn't already plan to give a choice in that situation?

The playerbase is just quick to yell wolf about everything even if its unfinished horde does it but the Alliance is 100x worse always crying horde bias for any reason they can find


Horde complain too. But the devs respond to them. Which is why it always looks like Alliance 'cry' longer and louder than Horde ever do. It really only ever takes one-three forums posts for Horde ptr content to change--> which is literally what happened with the Saurfang questline.

It takes the notoriety of red-shirt guy to write a insanely detailed and well argued blog post to get the Tyrande & Nathanos fight changed to be reasonable. and again, we've been complaining that Alliance was always portrayed as incompetent losers since war of the thorns.


Horde loses their leader alot they compain it doesn't change so they don't always get their way story can and has been bad on both sides...and it's not Blizz fault alliance are unorganized and play like crap...

But I'm sure people will say "but the racials" old argument move on get good at the game problem solved
11/03/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Bearj
Horde loses their leader alot they compain it doesn't change so they don't always get their way story can and has been bad on both sides...and it's not Blizz fault alliance are unorganized and play like crap...


Horde is spamming the forums because their undead waifu might not be their warchief forever. Cry more boss.
11/03/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Matildâ
Proof of this is how quickly they changed Zandalari Paladins and compare that to let's say Woren Female models.


dang....I hadn't even thought of that. We'll compare and contrast since there are a handful of posts questioning Kul'Tiran mages.

11/03/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Bearj
and it's not Blizz fault alliance are unorganized and play like crap...

But I'm sure people will say "but the racials" old argument move on get good at the game problem solved


Actually, when the Alliance's sole narrative existence is to be the supporting character for the Horde's plot, I'd argue yest we can say it's Blizz fault Alliance is in shambles.
Easy to say racials don't matter. But then look at the disparity in Mythic completion. The numbers don't lie.
11/03/2018 06:26 PMPosted by Daiyu
11/03/2018 05:30 PMPosted by Halodin
Really Blizz?

Not only you are responsible for the imbalance between the factions but Alliance should thank you for it?

I admit, i've had some doubt about people saying that Blizzcon was a place full of snarky comments about the Alliance from the bias devs. So yes, thank you for removing all my doubts.

But i'll thank you more no worries. I'll thank you by not buying virtual tickets anymore and i wll also thank you by not puting a foot in your BGs and by turning my warmode off.

Thank you Blizz devs.


Most likely not even a community manager will read my post but their little "joke" cost them 2 accounts with a 6 month recurring subscription. As a paying customer I absolutely refuse to be insulted by a company. The employees are not working for free. They are being paid for their work and their work is to create content to entertain their customers like me. Horde players are encourage to show faction pride and praised for doing so but when Alliance does it we get insulted and snarky comments like "lol the Alliance isn't real." "It's just a game bro calm down." and "lol you're not a real <insert Alliance race/class here> grow up."

I can tolerate insults like that from players from the opposing faction but when the company employees do it on an international stage you bet I'll show them there are consequences for the actions of their employees. I want a Blizz rep to look at my transaction history and realize just how much their little "joke" cost their company.


LOL you liar! You'll continue to play.
11/03/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Matildâ
11/03/2018 07:06 PMPosted by Rennekin
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Horde complain too. But the devs respond to them. Which is why it always looks like Alliance 'cry' longer and louder than Horde ever do. It really only ever takes one-three forums posts for Horde ptr content to change--> which is literally what happened with the Saurfang questline.

It takes the notoriety of red-shirt guy to write a insanely detailed and well argued blog post to get the Tyrande & Nathanos fight changed to be reasonable. and again, we've been complaining that Alliance was always portrayed as incompetent losers since war of the thorns.


Proof of this is how quickly they changed Zandalari Paladins and compare that to let's say Woren Female models. Or better yet we can compare it to how long it takes for blizzard to realize the mistake of not letting Kul Tirans be mages.

I'm going to put myself out there and predict.....It's much much longer between responses.


Uhm or maybe, just maybe its a balance thing? Like for instance, with the new allied races none on Horde could be paladins, but on Alliance side how many could be Shamans? Dark Irons can, Kul Tirans can. None for Horde until it was announced for Zandalari. Doubtful its a bias issue. Especially since they jabbed at the Horde warchief situation.
11/03/2018 05:47 PMPosted by Allintu
11/03/2018 05:43 PMPosted by Vornuus
You might want to invest in some thicker skin.


I have thick skin, it just was not funny. This kind of behavior from developers is the root of the problems for imbalance.


You don't have thick skin if you thought this tiny little jab was bad enough to make a thread about. I would say you are quite the raw nerve, as a matter of fact. If you had thick skin, you wouldn't have cared, or at most, just said "!@#$ you blizz" u der your breath, and forgotten about it. Instead, you got mad enough to take the time to come here, and start a thread talking about how horrible it was.

You need some thicker skin, and you could start by understanding what that really means.
11/03/2018 07:20 PMPosted by Deådra
11/03/2018 06:26 PMPosted by Daiyu
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Most likely not even a community manager will read my post but their little "joke" cost them 2 accounts with a 6 month recurring subscription. As a paying customer I absolutely refuse to be insulted by a company. The employees are not working for free. They are being paid for their work and their work is to create content to entertain their customers like me. Horde players are encourage to show faction pride and praised for doing so but when Alliance does it we get insulted and snarky comments like "lol the Alliance isn't real." "It's just a game bro calm down." and "lol you're not a real <insert Alliance race/class here> grow up."

I can tolerate insults like that from players from the opposing faction but when the company employees do it on an international stage you bet I'll show them there are consequences for the actions of their employees. I want a Blizz rep to look at my transaction history and realize just how much their little "joke" cost their company.


LOL you liar! You'll continue to play.


They went from 12 mill subs to 1.7, 1.5 mill now, pretty sure people mean what they say and say what they mean

maybe you like it when Blizzard belittles you, but the rest of us don't
11/03/2018 07:20 PMPosted by Deådra
LOL you liar! You'll continue to play.


Well that's a given, I didn't say I'm quitting. However I will now exclusively pay with WoW gold. They're not getting a penny from me anymore through WoW subscriptions.
11/03/2018 07:26 PMPosted by Kathyna
11/03/2018 07:20 PMPosted by Deådra
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LOL you liar! You'll continue to play.


They went from 12 mill subs to 1.7, 1.5 mill now, pretty sure people mean what they say and say what they mean

maybe you like it when Blizzard belittles you, but the rest of us don't


LOL they didn't belittle you, those people on the panel even said they play the game as well. They know the inside jokes that guilds say. My guild jokes about it too. Belittling? BAHAHAHA. Alliance is fierce right now and Horde is getting the short end of the stick warchief wise (which they also joked about) and you're going to say they are BELITTLING YOU?

Please, please, go to your safe space. Cause if you think that is "belittling you" then I'd hate to see when someone actually did attack you.
11/03/2018 07:06 PMPosted by Rennekin
11/03/2018 06:59 PMPosted by Bearj
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How do u know that was changed and wasn't already plan to give a choice in that situation?

The playerbase is just quick to yell wolf about everything even if its unfinished horde does it but the Alliance is 100x worse always crying horde bias for any reason they can find


Horde complain too. But the devs respond to them. Which is why it always looks like Alliance 'cry' longer and louder than Horde ever do. It really only ever takes one-three forums posts for Horde ptr content to change--> which is literally what happened with the Saurfang questline.

It takes the notoriety of red-shirt guy to write a insanely detailed and well argued blog post to get the Tyrande & Nathanos fight changed to be reasonable. and again, we've been complaining that Alliance was always portrayed as incompetent losers since war of the thorns.


The bias and contempt Blizzard shows for half their fans. I as an Alliance Player want balance. Maybe fix our Racials for all races not just one or two? Have them all on Pair. Good God look what we Gnomes have for racials. They're a joke.

Escape Artist. Let's see I can get out of being rooted. But Everyman for himself handles roots, stuns, fears..

Escape artist is just a crap version of Everyman for himself.

What else do we have. Oh we have Engineering Specialization. An extra 15 Engineering skill points.

The profession skill point Racials. They all suck. There's no exclusive Engineering recipe that needs those extra skill points. It's just extra leveling at max level engineering. That's not useful or beneficial.

Expansive Mind. An extra 5 points to our mana bar. That's real useful. Also the description is misleading. Gnome Death Knights don't have extra Runic power in their bar, Or Gnome rogues have extra energy.

This only pertains to the mana bar. And it's barely a boon of any kind.

The only active Gnome Racial is a weaker version of a Human Racial. And the others are all boring passives that don't really benefit. Or have such a slight benefit for very specific class and weapon choices.

Let's compare with Goblins. Aka the Horde's version of Gnomes.

Better Living Through Chemistry. It's the same thing as the Engineering Specialization but for Alchemy. So Goblins have it just as bad as Gnomes?

Haha yeah right!

Best Deals Anywhere they get a 10% discount on all vendor bought items. This is based on percentage. Meaning the more expensive the buy the more gold they save. It costs a Goblin player thousands of Gold less to buy that shiney Prestious mount then a Gnome player. For the same thing. THAT is far more tangible.

Pack Hobgoblin so they can always summon a bank teller anywhere any time.

Rocket Barrage while a weak attack it's a hell lot more tangible then any of the "Racials" Gnomes got.

Rocket Jump an Goblin Sprint. Come on.

Half the Gnome racials only apply to some of the classes we can play. And the other racials only work with certain weapons we pick. All Goblins can benifit from Rocket Jump, Rocket Barrage and Pack Hobgoblin.

I mean. Why not a Racial where the Gnome summons an Robot to fight for them for a lil bit? Give it a decently long CD so it's not too OP. Is that so hard.

It's not just Gnomes. Pick any Alliance race and compare the racials to a Horde Race.

More often then not we either got useless Racials, Boring Racials. Or Boring and useless Racials.
11/03/2018 07:24 PMPosted by Klowdywilde
11/03/2018 05:47 PMPosted by Allintu
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I have thick skin, it just was not funny. This kind of behavior from developers is the root of the problems for imbalance.


You don't have thick skin if you thought this tiny little jab was bad enough to make a thread about. I would say you are quite the raw nerve, as a matter of fact. If you had thick skin, you wouldn't have cared, or at most, just said "!@#$ you blizz" u der your breath, and forgotten about it. Instead, you got mad enough to take the time to come here, and start a thread talking about how horrible it was.

You need some thicker skin, and you could start by understanding what that really means.


Hey Moo! I did not start this thread.
Part of the joy of Warcraft is taking pride in both the race and faction you attach too as each of us find meaning in them. There is a reason why crowds get rallied into a fever when their faction is called up and the devs are both the face and custodians to each respective faction.

That said, when the Alliance is being treated as the butt end of a joke that insinuates that being part of the Alliance makes you a second rate fan and that their isn't any pride to be taken in being part of that faction you are eroding the goodwill of your fanbase and creating a toxic dynamic between both player bases.

I love the Alliance because it is a story of endurance in the wake of calamity. To be broken yet press on and reforge one's society into something greater as each broken piece forms a greater whole.

I wish the devs could show that same pride in the Alliance as they do the Horde. Instead of gut punching us I wish they would understand that if they want the Alliance to be something as prideful and joyous as the Horde then they need to cultivate it instead of diminishing it.
Well, sub is running out in a week. Nah, not renewing. Not worth the money. ESO And GW2 are subs free and don’t give me as much sh ite.

Reasons to not renew until they fix:
- GCD
- flying
- class unbalance and reworking of classes: MM, shamans...
-allied races grinding -Kultirans and Zandalari waiting and two grinds are a joke. They didn’t do that with worgwn and goblins.
-horrible story
-faction inbalance at so many levels, racials, war mode, story... and devs not seeming to find it a problem. I can understand they play the game and chose a faction in their personal time, but this can not translate into their product! The alliance will just become NPCs for the Horde to punch on. See the Arathi brawl announcement! Still, they see no problem.
-the game is old. It is a great game but they need to rework so much! they’ve become greedy. I’d be scared of games like ashes of creating and pantheon.
Part of the joy of Warcraft is taking pride in both the race and faction you attach too as each of us find meaning in them. There is reason why crowds get rallied into a fever when their faction is called up and the devs are both the face and custodians to each respective faction.

That said, when the Alliance is being treated as the butt end of joke that insinuates that being part of the Alliance makes you a second rate fan and that their isn't any pride to be taken in being part of that faction you are eroding the goodwill of your fanbase and creating a toxic dynamic between both factions.

I love the Alliance because it is a story of endurance, to face calamity and be broken yet to press on and reforge one's society into something greater as each broken piece forms a greater whole.

I wish the devs could show that same pride in the Alliance as they do the Horde. Instead of gut punching us I wish they would understand that if they want the Alliance to be something as prideful and joyous as the Horde then they need to cultivate it instead of diminishing it.


Quality post. To add they instill a "You are not welcomed or wanted but if you stick around you'll be used as entertainment for our clique" vibe.
11/03/2018 08:00 PMPosted by Daiyu
Part of the joy of Warcraft is taking pride in both the race and faction you attach too as each of us find meaning in them. There is reason why crowds get rallied into a fever when their faction is called up and the devs are both the face and custodians to each respective faction.

That said, when the Alliance is being treated as the butt end of joke that insinuates that being part of the Alliance makes you a second rate fan and that their isn't any pride to be taken in being part of that faction you are eroding the goodwill of your fanbase and creating a toxic dynamic between both factions.

I love the Alliance because it is a story of endurance, to face calamity and be broken yet to press on and reforge one's society into something greater as each broken piece forms a greater whole.

I wish the devs could show that same pride in the Alliance as they do the Horde. Instead of gut punching us I wish they would understand that if they want the Alliance to be something as prideful and joyous as the Horde then they need to cultivate it instead of diminishing it.


Quality post. To add they instill a "You are not welcomed or wanted but if you stick around you'll be used as entertainment for our clique" vibe.


You both are lame if you suggest that Alliance don't have quality stories. You guys are about to assault Zandalar. You have the mighty Jaina. Why in the world would you act like Horde get everything? Losing a warchief every expansion? They said a joke about Horde and you guys didn't care, but how dare they have a little freaking humor in their slide and you freak out? It's a joke, don't take it so hard.
11/03/2018 07:16 PMPosted by Rennekin
11/03/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Matildâ
Proof of this is how quickly they changed Zandalari Paladins and compare that to let's say Woren Female models.


dang....I hadn't even thought of that. We'll compare and contrast since there are a handful of posts questioning Kul'Tiran mages.

11/03/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Bearj
and it's not Blizz fault alliance are unorganized and play like crap...

But I'm sure people will say "but the racials" old argument move on get good at the game problem solved


Actually, when the Alliance's sole narrative existence is to be the supporting character for the Horde's plot, I'd argue yest we can say it's Blizz fault Alliance is in shambles.
Easy to say racials don't matter. But then look at the disparity in Mythic completion. The numbers don't lie.


Ah, I agree with you. They say racials don’t matter but when they get a boss that changes their race random then suddenly horde players complain that messes with their rotation and dps. So, end of the day racials matter. The boards say the same.
A way to fix this.
-Pair racials giving them different aesthetics but same befenits between a horde and alliance race. I.e. Tauren and Dranai.
-Free faction transfers for a month.
It's all good. They counterbalance it with all the jabs against the Horde like... and... and don't forget...
The only way that Alliance players can be heard is by stop playing Alliance or stop playing at all.

I know it's risky, but crying arent going to change anything, it didnt work for over eight years, it's not going to work now either, this is why they make fun of yours.

PS: I'm a former Alliance player.
11/03/2018 05:41 PMPosted by Vandren
The jokes on them really and they are too dense to see it.

It was Blizzard's bias, neglect and inept handling of the racial and faction balance that got us in to the situation we are now. For them to make a joke about it all shows how out of touch they really are.
you are so right bro