Your Lore Hot-Takes

Whatever you mean by ‘froo froo power rangers trash’, I’m guessing you’re trying to say that in the ‘new lore’ we see people banding together, dropping old hatreds, working together to fight the ‘big bad’.

Rofl. No but nice try making up a strawman arguement. You admit you don’t know what I mean by ‘froo froo’ but then go on to make it whatever it most convenient for your contrived argument. I introduce you to the most basic and obvious straw man argument I maybe have ever seen.

Modern WoW lore is lampooned for 2 things. 1) It’s now therapist touchy feel ‘lets all talk about our feelings’, tell don’t show objectively kindgarden level of story telling, 2) its trash treatment of faction lore more specifically Horde lore. ‘Froo Froo’ pertains to 1) mostly. See Bellular or Nixioms recent critics of Dragonflight lore and cinematics as an example.

That’s what WC3 was

Lol, leaving out that the Frozen Throne was literally the highlight of WC3 for most people which was maybe the single darkest story Blizzard ever told… And of all 3 WCs WCIII literally did the most to point the Alliance as morally questionable and NOT generic goodie goodie too shoes.

WC2 was in the Human campaign.

That feels like a huge stretch lol. Yes humans and orcs both gained allies during the course of their war to destroy one another. Not unusual thing to happen to gain allies who you have shared interests with during the course of a war narrative.

Nothing past WC1 has any connection to Warhammer at all.

Um. Right. Orcs. Humans. Dragons. Demons being the main antagonist all the way through WCIII xpacs and beyond into WoW at least until Legion. Ancient Entites that ordered the world. Light vs Void. Wow that doesn’t sound just like Warhammer.

cough Order vs Chaos cough

doesn’t mean that Warcraft should abandon everything its built by itself to start following this

WoW was built from WCI to III and during early WoW and been in decline ever since WotLK xpac. IE all the ‘new’ lore has only ruined what was once a great IP. Classic is popular because honestly the IP from then was better; the gameplay is boring according to almost everyone. Thing is retail gameplay is only a little less boring but the world/lore is crap in retail so might as well play the game with a compelling mmo-rpg world and lore even at the cost of much worse graphics.

This is entirely based on assumption, we don’t know the actual numbers of how many people are playing retail, only how many are raiding consistently.

It’s based on data from 3rd party sources; you can either provide better data or it will stand as the best data that there is on the subject.

The reality is you must have no faith the real data would be flattering to your argument if you deny the validity of any potential data rather than trying to find that which supported your argument. Rather than just trying to avoid the topic of 3rd party data all together.

The people who made ‘Kung Fu Panda’ complaints don’t care about the actual writing beyond aesthetic

No, it just felt juvenile and actually does seem to be the beginning of a softening in WoWs lore in retrospect that has become especially prominent in Shadowlands and now more so Dragonflight therapy sessions.

I feel that the vast majority of people actually liked MoP’s story.

No, they liked the gameplay of the era and Pandaria as a questing zone. The lore of MoP was some of the most controversial ever with every Horde player hating it to one degree or another.

Definitely the best expansion to ever center around the ‘faction conflict’ as a story point

Jesus F-ing Christ no and you are the first to ever say that.

Cata’s overall world lore was fine (main story sucked).

Nope, Cata ruined Horde lore as much as MoP did with Garrosh going bad for BS reasons and BFA did by doing it all over again with Sylvanas. WoW Retail literally can never recover from that. It’s a zombie of a game that is only going to shrink as it has been and will only shrink further as resource begin to be pulled away from it towards growing and thriving classic+.

WoD’s story was terrible and brought nothing to the table.

It literally brought NOT adding to the destruction of WoW lore beyond repair for at least 1 expansion which is more than we can say for MoP, Cata, and BFA.

TBC’s lore was literally nothing

And relative to most xpacs THAT IS GREAT! Better to DO NOTHING rather than just RUIN AND DESTROY GOOOD LORE AND REPLACE IT WITH GARBAGE. Classics didn’t have much ‘active’ lore, you just explored Lore as it was at the end of WCIII mostly. And it was the best version according to most people now.

Literally most of what the xpacs lore has been post WotLK has been SO BAD that they simply DO NOTHING and DO NO HARM is the best we can hope for from a WoW xpac in regards to lore. If that wasn’t the case Classic wouldn’t be the cultural phemenon it became.

Trash TBC lore all you like, TBC was the last WoW xpac to see major growth, Wotlk stagnated, and the crap that started with Cata has seen the game is serious decline ever since UNTIL the return of Classic.