You'll hotfix WSG but you won't even comment on this

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

Both factions ganked. Both factions ran death blobs. The majority of servers were not horribly imbalanced, and on those horribly imbalanced servers, alliance doubled down and made the situations worse by transferring away.

Ah so it’s alliance’s fault…

Are you denying that alliance transferring away made the situation worse? You know, the thing I actually wrote that you quoted.

[Qpon-smolderweb]

You figured out out. Most of the alliance “pre-mades” aren’t premade at all, but rather discord groups coordinating strategy and voice coms. The horde can do this too, but they don’t

1. Grats. You’ve now added yourself to the long long list of trolls that feel compelled to make a comment before ever even viewing the link, so let me describe it to you… its a pic, of a scoreboard, tabbed to the alliance list… 23 players are visible, 22 of those 23 are shown as being from Herod.
   Not exactly a random set of players, wouldn’t you agree?

2. Horde can NOT do this. Stop making crap up like you know what you are talking about. If you even played Horde for a day you’d understand this.
   Horde HAVE been trying. There is a Horde ‘premade’ discord, and if you tried using it during that one day you never played Horde, you’d have quickly discovered that despite 100+ horde queueing within 1 second of each other, never do you get more than 5-6 of those players into the same game.

And oh yeah, that whole dodge and requeue thing that Alliance does until they get an ‘acceptable’ number of their premade into a game … how is Horde supposed to make that work with 25m queues again? Enlighten me.

So either comment on topics you are at least mildly educated on, or simply keep your mouth shut.

[Sweetteabag-whitemane]

If it you were concerned about health of game play, It started with your faction camping alliance for over a month. It’s a snowball effect… it’s spiraled out of control, but not in your favor.

[Sweetteabag-whitemane]

Horde can’t do that because there is more horde, so a larger pool of players for the alliances smaller pool to queue up against. Odds are you’ll be playing with a lot of people from your own server as Alliance, if it has a decent population size.

[Vvin-herod]

Just wait 5 weeks to start pvping so those rankers at the top hit r14 and go away.

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

@Sweetteabag-whitemane

If it you were concerned about health of game play, It started with your faction camping alliance for over a month.

You’re right. I should take complete responsibility for an entire faction’s playerbase who played the game on a PVP server and by the server rules of PVP. I’ll also take responsibility for each and every alliance who did the same, as well as all of the alliance who rolled on a PVP server and then found they did not like what WPVP entailed, causing them to flee those servers.

Furthermore, I will take responsibility for Blizzard’s stance on PVP servers:

Today I'm nothing more than a punching bag

That is the risk when it comes to PvP, Hearteater. If you are in Battle for Azeroth, you may consider turning off Warmode for a bit. If you are playing WoW Classic, there is no option to turn that off. You can seek advice from your fellow players, or if you find PvP a little much, maybe try creating a character on a PvE realm.

I actually feel for a lot of alliance players who were overwhelmed, but I am beginning to lose sympathy for each and every player like yourself who chooses to harp on those couple of weeks like some license to act like complete and utter petty dbags.

[Sweetteabag-whitemane]

Now when did I say you? Don’t twist my words I said, your faction. Don’t sight BFA policies for classic. I play on a PVP server that I’m out numbered on, I like it.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Are you denying that alliance transferring away made the situation worse? You know, the thing I actually wrote that you quoted.

And? Why wouldn’t they transfer away from a horrible situation?

Blizzard could have implemented faction queues but they didn’t.

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

Now when did I say you? Don’t twist my words I said, your faction. Don’t sight BFA policies for classic. I play on a PVP server that I’m out numbered on, I like it.

Then what exactly were you saying when you typed:

If it you were concerned about health of game play, It started with your faction camping alliance for over a month. It’s a snowball effect… it’s spiraled out of control, but not in your favor.

Seriously, what were you saying? From day 1 I was lobbying for faction ratio controls. BOTH factions were ganking/camping/deathballing throughout P2. I was on the receiving end of it as I was leveling from 46-60 during P2 on a server that was not horde lopsided.

So perhaps step back and take a moment and explain what you meant by “if you were concerned about the health of the game”.

[Sigorn-arugal]

What am I looking at? It says 40v40?

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

Are you denying that alliance transferring away made the situation worse? You know, the thing I actually wrote that you quoted.

And? Why wouldn’t they transfer away from a horrible situation?

Blizzard could have implemented faction queues but they didn’t.

What exactly is your argument here, or are you just so bored that you’ve chosen to simply state the obvious?

[Sweetteabag-whitemane]

Again twisting the context of a sentence to suite your own means. Sir no one is falling for it.
Because if you read, it says your faction, that means as a whole, every time it’s speaking of a faction, not person.

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

It would help if you would clarify the context.

Because if you read, it says your faction, that means as a whole, every time it’s speaking of a faction, not person.

You addressed me specifically with your response. Again, what was your point in writing “If it you were concerned about health of game play” ? I have repeatedly expressed concern, and have proposed solutions. What “context” am I missing?

[Sweetteabag-whitemane]

How can you be concerned about the health of the game when one faction has control of the world for over a month and griefed players of the other faction for that entire month? You never raised a concern about that. So why, when the same thing is happening, but in reverse and ONLY in AV, have you now chose to complain?

[Sweetteabag-whitemane]

I addressed you because you had the complaint, you as a member of the Faction that farmed other players. So I addressed you, but that still doesn’t having the meaning that you are doing it all by yourself. Stop trying to twist words,

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

How can you be concerned about the health of the game when one faction has control of the world for over a month and griefed players of the other faction for that entire month?

Here we go again…

1. I expressed concern from day 1
2. I proposed solutions from day 1
3. Both factions received and dished out camping/ganking and deathballing
4. I am not responsible for players who join PVP servers and then feel negative impact from WPVP.
5. I just want to be able to play AV with my friends.
6. You clearly have only been reading the forum for a very short amount of time, or were on an alt with selective reading.

I addressed you because you had the complaint, you as a member of the Faction that farmed other players. So I addressed you, but that still doesn’t having the meaning that you are doing it all by yourself. Stop trying to twist words,

Stop replying to me if you are just shouting at clouds.
Your petty generalizations are tiring.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Are you denying that alliance transferring away made the situation worse? You know, the thing I actually wrote that you quoted.

And? Why wouldn’t they transfer away from a horrible situation?

Blizzard could have implemented faction queues but they didn’t.

What exactly is your argument here, or are you just so bored that you’ve chosen to simply state the obvious?

I don’t think the alliance made the situation worse. I think it was already a bad situation.

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

Alliance who transferred off literally made the server they left worse off ratio wise, and all that entails. Already being a bad situation does not mean that transfers fleeing did not make it worse.

What I think you are doing is your typical fishing for argument.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Alliance who transferred off literally made the server they left worse off ratio wise, and all that entails. Already being a bad situation does not mean that transfers fleeing did not make it worse.

I think the problem was already there, transfers didn’t make it worse they just highlighted it.

[Juga-grobbulus]

Again twisting the context of a sentence to suite your own means. Sir no one is falling for it.
Because if you read, it says your faction, that means as a whole, every time it’s speaking of a faction, not person.

So in this case, if your faction didn’t hide from pvp and on pve servers, things would have been better.