This blue post, which is not made by a GM or anyone who actually bans anyone, does not differentiate between bans in Classic and bans in retail. " . . . That’s a global number, by the way."
It’s nothing more than pure posturing, btw. You don’t see the same bots week after week, sometimes for months, and believe that “THOUSANDS” of bots are being banned in Classic on a daily basis. It doesn’t add up. This is hearsay from a CM and it’s absurd.
And yes, bots are WORSE in retail. I can provide more links if you like.
Except it’s not; he was trying to defend the garbage that is Retail.
People like old wow, and I’ll tell ya straight up it’s got its own problems but at least it’s not the pile of crap that is retail.
Additionally, Classic at no point ever was or can be Vanilla, because Vanilla was a project that evolved over 2 years.
Classic similar to Vanilla has a different game engine on a different client on different servers starting on a different state of tune on a different patch.
At literally no point ever did Vanilla play identically to classic.
The best we could ever hope for was a decent emulation, and that’s what is to be expected from TBC.
As for all the retail fluff added, I’m not really keen on that, and outside of the forums I know NO ONE that is excited for those features.
The people asking for boosts and paid services are still retail players not the people that actually wanted Vanilla as it really was.
Private server players already know how to speed quest/grind to 60 they’ve done it multiple times every time a new private server gets taken down. Old school MMO players also don’t mind taking a bit longer to hit max level, it’s the zoomers that can’t be bothered to play any other part of the game except raid logging.
#nochanges served it’s purpose, IMO, because it prevented Blizzard from ruining Classic with retail crap like WoW token, LFG/LFR, ports to instances, transmog, etc.
But, unfortunately, it also led to Blizzard not fixing some glaring unintended flaws in the game like the world buff stacking meta, etc. And we just had to live with them.
Blizzard is taking a more flexible stance with TBC, and is fixing some of the glaring flaws in TBC, like drums and Seal of Blood. That’s good.
But the danger of Blizzard going too far is still very much real, as evidenced by them introducing paid boosts. Other retail features being added is only a small step away, and so it continues to be up to the community to remain vigilant and keep making it known that we don’t want that crap.
What exactly do your links do again? Use isolated instances ? Classic has more bots…period. Nothing you, your mom, your dog, your uncles hairdresser, or your mechanic says will change that fact. Keep doing you though.
I still want Classic+ to be honest. I love TBC, but I would have loved for them to create content for the original 1-60 experience that kept in line with design philosophy of they day. I just don’t see the point in “museum” servers. The people who want to spend the rest of their time in perpetual 1.12 limbo are extremely few and lessening every day.
While re-releasing expansions to Classic is cool and all, It doesn’t seem to solve the, “I don’t like the features in retail” problem. We will eventually get back to retail problems starting with the next expansion.
A vast majority of the ‘no changes’ who started classic did not keep playing the game. Many of them didn’t even understand why they were ‘no changes’. It was mostly a meme. Some people are still under this delusion. Though it’s not very many compared to the release of classic.
Almost anyone who has played classic and seen what’s it’s become would support changes at this point. The hold out ‘no changes’ crowed are an extreme minority of the player base and should not be listened to.
They will play TBC anyways. They would have played classic anyways.
What exactly does your link do again? Use posturing hearsay by a CM? Retail has more bots…period. Nothing you, your mom, your dog, your uncle’s hairdresser, or your mechanic says will change that fact. Keep doing you though.
I’m confused. How exactly is it that your links which are from non Blizzard employees, somehow are more credible than an employee that DOES work for Blizzard? From the looks of it though you must not have been playing Classic for long, you haven’t even hit 60 yet.
if you get down to the bottom of it, the player base that sought out private servers for older versions of WOW did so because they were not happy with the current state of the game.
Where people diverted regarding #nochanges was mostly around a general distrust of the current WOW team to not screw up this opportunity and eventually slide it into the same trappings that retail is in. Their distrust was so high that they were willing to deal with all the warts that vanilla WOW existed in if it meant the game would be safe from the incremental tinkering that has seemingly cheapened the experience of the current version of the game.
Classic players who wanted some of the obvious shortcomings of Vanilla changed went along with the mostly no changes game delivered anyway because it was closer to their hearts than retail, was a more stable / legit way to play than going to private servers, and for all intents and purposes…seemed like a 1 time offering from Blizzard to play the game they loved.
Now we know the success of Classic has incentivized Blizzard to continue delivering legacy versions of expansions, and they did the fans a great service by their handling of the vanilla WOW re-release. Based on the confidence they built, I think a lot of folks that were originally skeptical of Blizz’s handling of re-releasing legacy versions of the game has afforded the developers more leeway with making some common sense changes that do not fundamentally change the spirit of the game during that time.
Actually you’re wrong. This statement was responding to requests for Classic wow, not to specific details concerning minor changes vs ni changes. Your entire shpeel here is based on a false context.
Classic doubled wow subs and was a resounding successes. The statement “You think you (want classic wow) but you don’t” was unequivocally btfo.
“You think you do, but you don’t” is a great statement used in the wrong context. It’s certainly true that players don’t know what’s best for them and they make bad designers, but the demand for vanilla was already demonstrated which made Brack wrong when he said it the way he did.
The time to say “you think you do, but you don’t” is when people come in and try to turn tbc into retail-lite chock full of convenience features like dual spec and dungeon finder. People always want the path of least resistance, but when left to play in it they discover how hollow it is and leave, hence the current state of retail.
