I mean with the right build shadowstrike could situationally hit really hard. I’d say a high shadowstrike crit for me so far would be like 3k. So if I ran that stacking debuff talent, that could go to 6k. But if i further ran something like, nighstalker, deep shadows, and the 30% shadowstrike damage legendary…
That’d be closer to a 9k shadowstrike, not including the bonus shadow damage from shadowblades.
While there’s no current warrant for shadowstrike to be nerfed. there’s definitely potential for this god-awful class design to end up getting it nerfed.
This is just a one-off example of something impractical and that doesn’t get used in arena. But I’m js. There’s some potential for some really dumb un-fun shadowstrikes lol.
Unless my math is actually the pits, which would make sense because I’m awful at math.
tl;dr there’s potential for a gimmicky shadowstrike build and gimmicky builds make everyone sad.
Indeed, its actually fun because you kill or get killed and its not a 15 min game of slap and tickle waiting for dampening to actually get started with the race to the bottom they called PVP in BFA, Legion and WoD.
WEAKSAUCE!
2.4K Ambush crits vs cloth in Classic vs Targets that have 5.5K, my Backstabs in Classic roughly 1500 damage and often crit.
=)
I kid tho, Classic PVP is hilarious fun but its not built for Arena play, tho people QQ about that too because its too fast for their bad case of lethargy.
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MMMM, more tears from people that died to rogues?! Laps up all the tears. Yeeees, mooooore.
Mainly rogues are replying because you are singling out rogues. We are just defending ourselves. Other classes aren’t replying In Hopes to fly under the radar. I have an idea though. Let’s give the game more than a week to decide what changes need to be done. The PvP season hasn’t even started.
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Dude when I came back to the game and realized that I could cast anything in BoP and suffer no damage penalty in bubble I was floored
^^^
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rogues do way too much damage plus control and survivability compared to other specs, prob the only spec that needs to be nerfed. Everything else is fine
Yup so true. Hybrids doing as much healing as they do dmg / close to actual healers, MM burst, Mindgames damage on SP, 12-15k starsurges from boomkins, enhance/ele even having burst, warrior doubling everyones dmg in 3s games that go over 1 minute with intervene being insane, mages becoming immortal with shield legendary.
Let game be fast paced. People will get 20k more hp, 20% more versa and defensive soulbinds/conduits. The only class that can kinda seem weak right now even though too early to tell is warlocks being able to die.
p.s: Gut crit legendary and drest months ago like what was done with lvl 60 pve trinkets.
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And MA…
But that has its own drawbacks when you want optimal burst.
Some giga brain suggestions in this thread.
Yeah let’s nerf classes to the ground in the PreSeason basing on game length in double dps skirms.
Yea, im sure the ladder will be full on Balance druids instead of sub rogues if no balance is added. Nice one thou
Balance druids wont mean anything if a rogue can one shot it in a opener in 3s. A rogue killed my druid through survival instincts 100-0 in one 6 second kidney the other day & i am geared. If you dont think rogue is OP its cause you play one
i’d rather they nerf echoing reprimand or at LEAST its interaction with shadowblades
shadowstrike doesn’t seem like an offender to me in comparison to that
Blizz need to to do something about rogues. I can get globalled in a mo from 100% hp if I don’t have defensive… which I already likely used just to not get 1 shot in the opener. U don’t want rogue nerfed to the ground. I’d like that crit legendary nerfed and a global damage nerf of 10%. My unholy is getting nerfed like that because of pve when it wasn’t all that competitive in pvp to begin with… blizz need to focus a lil on pvp and stop trying to balance around raids cause it makes people who only play for pvp wanna quit.
Sub needs to be given the Demon Hunter treatment and made dumpster tier.
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necrotic striked this thread ifg
cloak of shadows and vanish were fine when rogues couldn’t one shot you but now…see what I did there…?
youll just get “oneshot” by assassination rogues if they nerf sub. lets not pretend enh shaman hasn’t been the joke class for 6 years now.
most of the damage doesnt even come from shadowstrike. it comes from crit echoing reprimands followed by back to back critical eviscerates.
This should actually be a thing. They shouldn’t be able to bubble and do full damage and kill you lol.
Well if you ask for one of the main rogue abilities to be nerfed by 50% while claiming that the class will be fine with it, then naturally rogues are going to comment on why that’s wrong.
As others have said the insane burst is coming from all their damage modifiers affecting the kyrian ability.
I personally think the damage of the kyrian ability should be nerfed and shadowstrike should receive a damage buff based on the Echoing Reprimand nerf. Ideally rogues are still doing the same damage in the duration of kidney shot or triple cheap shot - except the damage is more evenly paced out because it’s no longer coming from one use of Echoing Reprimand but instead many shadowstrike/eviscerates.
Let’s say a rogue can do 20k damage in a full kidney shot and 10k comes from ER and the other 10k comes from shadowstrike/eviscerate/all other damage sources. I think instead sub rogue should still do 20k damage in the kidney shot but something like 3-4k from ER and the other 16-17k damage comes from real rogue abilities (SS/evisc/autos/everything else). This makes it so that sub rogue burst is more manageable but they still do the same damage. I don’t think the overall damage of sub needs a nerf, just their damage sources need to be redistributed so they don’t have an insane front load of damage from one ability. They’ll still be rewarded from setting up cc chains properly but won’t be able to do the crazy 1 shot openers just in a single cheap shot with micro cc on the healer.
edit: or just nerf the 100% crit legendary in pvp and that might be all sub needs.
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