You can't leave M+ now. proves that M+ is a failure concept

See? Depends depends on what context? Context to whom?

Hence why it’s vague or atleast not transparent.

And for the record. I don’t care if we can time a key or not. If someone brought their low geared friend to get carried on a 10 for vaults. Im leaving. Sorry not Sorry. That’s griefing.

It is transparent. Again. Common sense

A 590 in an 8 key with three others at 620+. Going to leave that key when youd be a carry too? No

Leave a key where a carry is dying every 5 seconds to not having enough life to survive unavoidable mechanics, go for it. The purpose is to succeed.

Its pretty transparent. Again, common sense goes a long way

Not when you say:

If youre just there for vault and can complete it just fine, how is that griefing? Also, why did you wait half way through the run. Why not leave before it started?

When i do keys its not for vault and the 12 gilded. I dont wanna do more than 8 keys.

8 keys is enough for a 90 gilded crest everyweek and 3 vaults.

So if Im in a group with lets say someone thats obviously bought their account OR being carried. then thats griefing.

Im not there to carry people. Sorry.

Sure but thats not what you said
Nor is that griefing (griefing is intentional)
Nor would you get actioned for this

Again. This is all transparent. Theres no thought required when responding to your what ifs

So me leaving the group because of said criteria is okay? And if it is where do I find the sources on that?

Theres a blue post. Go read it

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Every day I’m confronted by the fact that a large amount of people can conceptually read, but cannot actually parse the meaning of the words that they’ve read.

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I read it, where did it say that?

Taught to memorize, not to learn

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Yeah, I can appreciate this frustration. I think it’s perfectly acceptable to want a relatively smooth, timed run, and not have to play fight for survival because of someone that’s brought in drastically undergeared.

That kinda group should list up front that they’re bringing an undergeared friend, so folks know what they’re getting into.

I would start here. I think this is a safe bet that if you left just that one, you’ve got 0 issues. If you’ve left, maybe half a dozen like that for the season, i would still argue that you wouldn’t get actioned.

You’re right: we don’t have any definitive, 100% empirical threshold on what constitutes ‘transgression,’ but that’s because - I think - there’s human factors involved, and nuance. I would say that try not to leave more groups than you join, and don’t respond to any whispers from players that were in the key you - the royal you, the editorial you - left.

You leaving because the group is underperforming per its difficulty or someone being carried is causing major issues does not fall under you “repeatedly and recklessly disrupting m+”

Again. Common sense

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Common sense to whom? You? You’re not a blizzard representative. So forgive me if I dont take your word as is.

Aside from your ridiculous click bait title. They are looking to see who is griefing not who is leaving. this also overstates the importance of having your own group and not just joining some random group or allowing some random to join your group. as long as it’s not malicious, you’re fine.

Common sense doesnt belong to anyone lol its a generalized concept. Thus the “common” part.

Do you need blizzard to remind you every day that racist remarks in trade chat is prohibited? Or is it common sense?

Use that big ol brain of yours a little. They highlighted the offenses they went after and will continue to monitor.

They also mentioned that they understand that groups fall apart and that things are understood.

A down right bad group that isnt going to succeed, Blizzard isnt targetting these people

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What if my house in fire?, baby cries?, robery attack?, company emergency calls?, afk for rest room?, sudden police visiting?, or any other situations on emergency? Banning all of these players for leaving?
Thats sucks…

They covered that

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I can’t with this thread. Either some of these people completely lack reading comprehension or they’re being deliberately obtuse.

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I want to say this one…but theres plenty of people are genuinely that…disassociated with common practices that i cant fully commit to one or the other

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Or as they’ll surely describe it, “…for no reason!”

Well, we know one thing. It won’t interrupt your reading. :roll_eyes:

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