But what of my dreams of the Black Empire consuming Azeroth?
Where do they go?
That’s what blizzard wants to focus on lately. The grand cosmic scale and all that jazz
Given that BfA was so bad that they had to pull a WoD and give up on it, I don’t think we’ll see Old Gods anywhere anytime soon.
The Void Lords are being set up as the ultimate big bads for the overarching entirety of the Warcraft universe, so don’t even bet your bottom dollar we’re remotely done with the Old Gods.
Dead Demons go to the Twisting Nether.
Dead Old Gods and their minions go to the Void.
Dead mortals go to Shadowlands.
I don’t think we’ll see much of the demons or old gods in Shadowlands. We may see mortals they have influenced though.
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This is a little weird a statement to make, since we knew Old Gods could be killed since Mists of Pandaria.
Then where do demons who are killed in the Twisting Nether end up? And this isn’t even presupposing that the Shadowlands are a creation of the Titans, just like the Elemental Planes were.
We don’t know if the jailer is working for/alongside anyone yet, so I see Yogg-Saron as a definite strong possibility.
Should he be in the Shadowlands? Not if everything is going as it should there. The void, as someone else mentioned, should be where he goes after dying.
On the flip side, Yogg-Saron had a ton of influence over Icecrown–including the citadel itself. I see it as more likely than not, tbh.
Would it involve retconning things to make sense of this? Of course, but Blizzard does that a ton now anyway.
A continued old god presence would justify everything with N’Zoth, in my opinion. Maybe not the final cutscene of the raid itself, but his seemingly quick death.
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I mean, they’re already doing a ton of retconning and rear end pulling to make Shadowlands in the first place. What’s another bone on the pile?
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Come to think of it, it’s not that much a retcon. If the Emerald Nightmare was created by Yogg-Saron from touching Vodrassil, then he could invade the Shadowlands through Icecrown’s connection to Torghast (whatever the hell that is).
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well, they do have a ton of unused supplemental material in lore and story continuity to use in the form of the comics and other non-game media, a shadow reaper Anduin arc leading up to other Old gods and eventually several bread crumb expansions leading into the void lords confrontation would be especially fitting. it should be appropriately spaced out though.
Let’s be honest about who our future antagonists are going to be at this point: Unless Elune/Azeroth go evil, the N’aaru decide to nuke us or Sargeras breaks out of space jail, it’s going to tie somehow back to the Void Lords.
Unless they really start reaching back there to rip for stuff that flat out doesn’t exist and doesn’t have room to have existed. Or restart the exhausted Alliance/Horde narrative…yet again…
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Oh boy, I look forward to how the writing team ruins the Void Lords in the future. I can’t wait for Ion’s hands to tell me how threatening they are and then kill them all off in a single patch with another mcguffin.
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was contained*
he dead, foo
I agree, people act like the Void Lords can’t just send us another barrage of Old Gods.
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C’thun and Yogg-Saron were weakened and Y’shaarj was basically dead
N’zoth was fully released and at full power
Which, using context, we can conclude that N’Zoth’s forte clearly wasn’t direct combat, as it’s been stated many times before.
His full power is like Yogg’s 4, and C’thun’s 6, imo.
Or simply Blizzard didnt bother to give the old god its own expansion alongside with Azshara
Their writing has been god awful in BFA
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You can chalk it up to bad writing if you want, but it honestly fits everything we knew about N’zoth.
Weak in actual power, strong in mental manipulation and corruptive whispers.
Do remember that he was capable of manifesting his own visions of the future to the point it was so real it was effecting the physical world, which was why we went into the Halls of Origination the second time.
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We dont know how weak he actually was compared to other old gods
Besides one of his pawns Deathwing had a expansion dedicated to him and had a far better finale
And us soloing him with a Rank 5 Focusing Iris was just BS
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Ah, but we do, if you read Chronicles.
N’Zoth was listed as a tactician type, but the weakest of all the Old Gods that landed on Azeroth, with Y’shaarg being the most powerful, followed by Yogg, then C’thun, and finally, at the bottom of the barrel, N’Zoth.
Technically speaking, Xalatath was supposed to be more powerful than N’Zoth and had gotten ganged up by literally the rest of the Old Gods and imprisoned in the Black Blade of the Empire, but it was retconned by the time Legion came out, probably because they didn’t want priests running around with a literal Old God in their pocket.
No he wasn’t. He’s freshly out of prison.