Because its currently relevant.
If you have a problem with what mages are doing, you should speak up. (not to you, just in general)
Are you taking a social science class at Evergreen Collège? What does ethics have to do with anything?
It’s foolhardy to think a rouge has something over a much superior class for farming 5 mans. I don’t need a stun, sap etc when mages can slow and burn all of it at the same time.
SO you keep that selfish I need my chest mentality and go pick by yourself cause you won’t get in many groups with that refail mentality.
I think he’s pretty impartial to what the rogue does. I think he’s just trying to gather a consensus. But I agree, this is probably the worst place to discuss your opinion on the matter XD
I’ll have you know that that cheese is delicious and not spoiled at all from sitting in a chest for 15 years.
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Oh no he’s not. He’s a little gnome with devious intentions. I bet he wants to rule the world. I’ll be watching him closely.
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Ethics have to do with everything. It’s how we determine what’s right and wrong. This is nothing about rogue’s having “superiority”, it’s about being fair and consistent with how we treat other people.
And thank you for demonstrating that you have no ethics or moral high ground on the matter. You personally think rogues are inefficient DPS, and take it out on them by forcing them to share the loot in locked chests. In order to be consistent with this, you should be outright taxing your group members based on whether they provide sub-optimal DPS.
So unless you are indeed doing that, my friend, you are the selfish one here.
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The same people that are making it an issue are the people who think they deserve your personal loot drops in retail
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Here is the simplest way to put it
The rogues the only one that can open it there for its the rogues
If there are two rogues they roll for it
If only one rogue can open it then its that rogues chest
Dont like it go roll rogue simple as that
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Oh boy I got ya! I got ya I say!
You do realize that ethics are society based? Yes? What’s right in Afghanistan could be ethically wrong in America.
In most Arab countries, women must be head covered and be lead around by an adult male family member. It would be unethical to not follow this. I can give many examples.
Ethics are SUBJECTIVE. Even those we think should have universality don’t in some cultures. In some places people burn you for believing you are into witch craft with necklacing (Some African countries). Other countries the age of consent is 12 year old (Philippines) where most other places it’s child molesting.
Your court tiny person.
Ethics are subjective, you’re right. But I believe you are confusing ethics with morals.
Morals are about what is seen as “good practice” and socially acceptable. Ethics are about the rights and responsibilities we have towards one-another.
Women being require to wear full face coverings in Arabic countries is a good example of morals. The ethical motivation behind the face covering concerns the roles that the different sexes play in that society.
You might personally dislike rogues compared to other forms of DPS because they are inefficient. That is a consequentialist ethical perspective. But if you want your opinion to be ethically justifiable, you must treat ALL DPS the same way. If you want rogues to subsidise their suboptimal in your group by sharing the loot from locked chests, you should keep a DPS chart and monetarily penalise any DPS member who drops below an accepted average. Or if the rogue is exceptionally good, he should be entitled to the locked chest for exceeding what you determine to be acceptable.
If you are not being consistent in your approach then you are not being ethical. And if you are not being ethical, that means you are being unfair and selfish.
Your court, not-quite-as-tiny person.
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Just say you haven’t leveled it so you can’t unlock anything. Once the dungeon is clear, on the way out help yourself.
EZ
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I feel like the odds of getting something really great from a chest are so low that I can’t reliably invite a rogue in the mindset of “yeah! This guy is going to open up a lot of loot options this run”. I probably just won’t see good locked chest loot often at all.
If I can’t rely on chest loot more than I can rely on a boss in the instance to drop something good for me then I’m not really thinking about it to begin with.
If lightning strikes and something good does drop, I’ll probably just ask to roll for it but I wasn’t going to get anything if the rogue wasn’t there anyway. Most of the time a rogue will let the group roll on exceptional items, I feel like we can all agree on this. If not I didn’t plan on it anyway, not like I was for a boss drop at least. They want to keep it? Whatever let’s keep moving I’ve lost nothing.
What we might actually lose by arguing about it is time, time that could have had us further through or perhaps even finished with the dungeon but instead we’re sitting here… arguing about who gets to wear or throw the shiny digital item on the AH.
I’m pro dungeon completion, and went in there for specific boss drops and/or quests in mind. Anything else is just gravy.
Locks that don’t provide summons, SS, and lock candy is a very common thing, yet they don’t get the “Rogue treatment”, for their selfishness, they don’t get kicked.
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The fact that no one has an objection until a BoE drops is pretty indicative of the underlying issue. No one is advertising for rogues in their LFG spam for access to lockpicking. They only care when the avarice takes hold.
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This is exactly my point. If we want to subscribe to a philosophy where every player is expected to bring absolutely all of their utility to the table, irrespective of the personal cost or investment required, with no requirement for compensation, then that’s fine. But rogue’s seem to receive an inconsistent and disproportionately high amount of hate in this regard.
Again, probably to do with human selfishness. An Azerothian Diamond from a Thorium Vein? That’d be worth a penny, but I’m not gonna kick a fuss over it. The mage won’t give free portals for the group? Would have been a nice bonus, but I’ll live. Locked chest etiquette? It’s really not that big a dea- wait a minute, are those Edgemaster’s Handguards?
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Orange lantern corps members.
All of them.
My only argument to this is this comparing apples to oranges. Lockpicking is a closer to a profession then a skill or ability that one brings to a group. It requires the rogue to actually go out and pick lock boxes and footlockers that require time, most that are underwater from 125-175 especially. So I don’t see why people should get bent out of shape that a rogue takes the loot, or at least the the cash in the chest. I also have never had 1 group in my 15 years of playing this game as a rogue ask me if I have the lock pick to open chest in a dungeon, doors yes, but never chest.
ILY 
They were issues 15 years ago though.
Since the greater consensus (most non-rogues) will opt to roll on it, it’s up to you as the rogue to state your intentions before if you want to go against that.