Yet another guild bank post

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

I hope they aren’t going to be on my server. I plan to farm that leather a bit for LW and making some gold.

I’m sure someone on your server will try.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

But at the end of the day there’s no real motivation to crash the market which is the only thing that stock piling then selling can do.

Stockpiling can drive up a price too, and then you release them at a rate that maintains that high price by controlling scarcity. This is literally what the Devilsaur Mafia does.

Devilsaurs are a supply amount issue not a bag space issue.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

Um yeah. Loot trading was a game MECHANIC. Not a full-blown change requiring them changing the land and adding in guild alterations.

The backlash to it led to an eventual change to minimize it to raids.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

That’s going to be so annoying. Makes me feel more sure about my idea to do a hunter guild just to combat them.

Controlling the market is one thing, disabling others from gathering the material is another.

[Somechange-aegwynn]

Stockpiling can drive up a price too, and then you release them at a rate that maintains that high price by controlling scarcity. This is literally what the Devilsaur Mafia does.

If you think that stockpiling can destroy an economy because they have more space, people can also sell mats to vendors to artificially increase the price of those said mats once they are close to their bags limit.

And on another note if people are worried about the anonymity of people going away with a gbank character, the bnet friend system is actually a solution to it: add the person in charge of the gbank as a friend and you’ll be able to spread around the ignore on other servers so they can’t fit as easily in the community of another server.
(yeah I stretched a bit far with that one, but all I see is paranoia everywhere)

But then again there could be solutions so the players in a guild could be protected from abuse and the server’s economy remains safe, you can think outside the box.

And about the answer we won’t actually know before a blue post is made to address this, or the game goes out. We won’t be the ones deciding if Blizzard wants to prioritize security over authenticity

[Fesz-cenarius]

except it takes away from the social part of forming a group.

Except you’re social while the group forms. You’re social in the group.

That’s funny coming from the person that claimed traveling to the instance was not a social experi ence.

How social does Johnny have to be if there is an automated system finding groups for him? How social does Johnny have to be if the others with whom he is grouped cannot kick him?

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

That’s funny coming from the person that claimed traveling to the instance was not a social experi ence.

Still misreading what I wrote. Not surprised.

I said that getting on a flight point and going to pee wasn’t social.

But keep at it, keep repeating that over and over again if it makes you feel better.

Please find my post where I said that.

EDIT: I found the post where I said that getting on a flight point and going to pee isn’t social. So I’m sure you’ll have a lot of trouble finding where I said the opposite.

Have a nice day.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

And on another note if people are worried about the anonymity of people going away with a gbank character, the bnet friend system is actually a solution to it: add the person in charge of the gbank as a friend and you’ll be able to spread around the ignore on other servers so they can’t fit as easily in the community of another server.
(yeah I stretched a bit far with that one, but all I see is paranoia everywhere)

To be clear, I’m giving reasons why it could still be bad, but the overriding reason why guild banks should not and will not be in Classic, is that there’s no actual need have them, beyond a quality of life improvement. All the arguments about tickets are just as much paranoia as anything else.

They were not in Vanilla, they don’t solve any issue with producing Classic, and there is no reason to include them in Classic, and the very reason people want them in Classic, is what Classic is trying to get away from.

I have no real fear that Blizzard will introduce Guild Banks in Classic, but they’re listening to the community so the opposition to them needs to be as visible (or more than) the calls for them.

[Somechange-aegwynn]

For my opinion on that I think that Blizzard took the least development way of thinking, so there could be 2 reasonings:

• It is already in the game so they’ll let it stay, but it means that GMs will have to handle tickets and restore those said items
• they remove it and receive tickets where they have to answer “tough luck, we can’t do anything about it”

I think they’ll probably go with the later, since that’s less work in the end.

(and if you think that they’re listening to community, so far all I’ve seen is Blizzard announcing a planned 4points content release when the 6points was already decided to appeal to the Classic community and not have to work on a patch by patch release cycle, and Lootsharing where they had no choice to make, but that’s my own conspiracy theory)

[Fesz-cenarius]

With in recent regards to how they changed loot trading, I could see them adding guild banks in under the same bias. These two systems, should they even put in GBs, would almost exclusively be delegated and regulated by and for the players.

They don’t want to deal with tickets for misgiving or wrongly rolling on an item right? Well how many times has that been an issue? And take that and now ask yourself how many times have you heard of someone running off with all the guild mats on their alt?

This part here Ive experienced first hand with my guild. After several months of running with a player in my guild me and the officers decided that the player could be an officer as well, granting significantly more guild bank access.

Long story short after a few weeks that player cleaned out the whole guilds jewel crafting mats and mining stockpile. After carefully going over the log they were found to have been skimming tons of mats and other loot over their few weeks of tenure as an officer.

After opening a ticket we got all our stuff back. Later the player contacted me via in game mail claiming to have been hacked or something and profusely apologizing.

Having a guild bank with an in game log I guess allowed for my guild to get our stuff back.

I’m not saying I support the implementation of guild banks in wow classic, just offering an anecdote of a negative becoming a positive via a key guild bank security feature.

In all likelihood, it was a GM that overstepped his authority.

Blizzards policy with guild banks is that no one can “steal” anything from a guild bank as removing anything REQUIRES PERMISSION to do so.

Their policy is not to get involved in guild bank issues. Are their GM’s that ignore that policy and overstep their authority? Yes, there are, bu t those are the exceptions and not the rule.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

In all likelihood, it was a GM that overstepped his authority.

So now you know all about the inner workings of Blizzard and their employees?

Seriously???

[Eaglesgift-ravenholdt (Eaglesgift)]

We don’t want well intentioned changes, because we don’t trust Blizzard’s judgement.

I would add, we don’t want well intentioned changes because we don’t trust our peer’s judgement either. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Any change will come with unintended consequences. We KNOW that we enjoyed Vanilla. Why tweak it and potentially harm what we know we enjoyed?

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

TLDR: I strongly lean towards #nochanges.

You don’t lean towards #nochanges. It’s a binary issue. You either want no changes, or you want changes.

You want changes. Just admit that.

[Fesz-cenarius]

In all likelihood, it was a GM that overstepped his authority.

So now you know all about the inner workings of Blizzard and their employees?

Seriously???

Are you saying that it is NOT Blizzards policy not to get involved with guild bank disputes since anyone who takes an item, or multiple items, from the guild bank HAD PERMISSION TO DO SO and therefore stole NOTHING?

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Are you saying that it is NOT Blizzards policy not to get involved with guild bank disputes since anyone who takes an item, or multiple items, from the guild bank HAD PERMISSION TO DO SO and therefore stole NOTHING?

No, no. You don’t get to move the goalposts. YOU posted that it was against Blizzard policy. How do you know this?

Also, show my post where I said that traveling to a dungeon isn’t social.

I mean, seriously, you post a lot with nothing to back it up.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

For those seriously still arguing like guild banks will do little to change the game. . .

@Melaned-blackrock

But as for changes?

• The demand for bags. This will alter the ability to gain gold as a tailor.
• The demand for cloth. This will alter the ability to gain gold from AH’ing cloth.
• Alteration of guild management. This will alter how many guilds will manage their goods. Players will be ranked to specifically deal with bank tasks etc.
• Increased guild creation. This will increase the numbers of guilds created as there will be guilds made solely for storing items.
• Altered guild UI. No details needed really.
• Altered bank areas to have the guild banks obviously.
• Increasing the demand to be in major cities to use the guild bank.
• Decreases the value set on having good bag space. You will be able to just packrat stuff on a single character with a large guild bank.
• This adds another gold sink.
• It also adds incentive to keep an old guild rather than just let it die and have its name open up down the line.
• Reduces the number of characters needed to manage items being kept over time.
• By reducing the trades and mail sent between players for their upcoming raids it also slightly streamlines a bit of the player interaction.

These were the changes I could think of off the top of my head. Are they all of them? I do not believe so.

And let’s be honest here. In the end this is a recreation of Vanilla WoW as Classic. It is not a complete recreation yes, but it is done in the concept of recreating it as it should be remembered. This did not exist in Vanilla nor should it in Classic.

I am not crazy, I will not directly state that “adding guild banks would kill classic!” but I do not believe there is a need nor an outstanding want for such a thing. Do I believe that as a change it is one of the lesser affecting ones made over time? Yes. Do I enjoy the concept of the guild bank? Yes I love it actually. But I do not believe it belongs in Classic as it was not part of the Vanilla experience. Something I am looking for them to help recreate.

Adding this to note.
Arguing for the allowance of these changes for what? The same thing that many people argue is already done mostly through the use of bank alts and bag management? So then what does this change really do? Is it just making things easier at the cost of all of these changes? If so is that not solely anti-Vanilla in the aspect that making things easier is what got us to where we are? If so then does that not exactly fold into what they said? That if you want these quality of life changes and balances used to alter the game that they already have that in current.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

For those seriously still arguing like guild banks will do little to change the game. . .

You forgot the most important reason to oppose it: it opens the door for Blizzard to add other things that weren’t in the game.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

You forgot the most important reason to oppose it: it opens the door for Blizzard to add other things that weren’t in the game.

Err…no.

Guild banks are only important because of the security risk NOT having them poses. This isn’t going to lead to flying or mogging or any of that.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

Exactly.

All of this for what? Easier bag management. Literally that is ALL IT IS…

Most pro-guild bank people argue like we already have guild banks in the form of player alts etc. If that is true then why have all of these changes when we already have it?

It just makes it easier, a quality of life change. . . just the style of thinking that created current.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Literally that is ALL IT IS…

Says the person who probably never saw someone run off with a ton of guild mats.