Yet another guild bank post

[Digdug-proudmoore]

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[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

yah that is shocking,lol, just saw that, well 15 years to add 4 slots to the backpack that sounds about right.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

That would be the security of knowing officerlightfingers is not finding his epic mount or selling gold from his free unchecked gold stream. Yup. You guessed it we’ve talked about this.

Want, not need.

Not if there’s restrictions in place to prevent this or its accepted as another gold sink. Which seems to be how blizz viewed it on live. They never said boo about it for years. People used to sell guilds in trade.
Also like I said. If inventory is the concern: this is akin to creating another storage bank alt. We’ve talked about this.

Blizzard isn’t tweaking game mechanics to make gold sinks etc. This isn’t really an argument for why it should be included, its “Hey maybe this is a benefit”.

Sounds like uneeded crap that can make guilds fall apart to me.
Wait a dog gone minute here. How can you say gbanks aren’t needed and they could possibly avoid guild busting drama but we need guild busting drama because social dynamics?

I never said it was guild busting drama. I said that in-guild squabbles should be sorted out by the group instead of running to Blizzard. You know… community. Knowing to not invite Warrior X, because his last guild kicked him out for stealing from the Guild Bank. People actually discussing their concerns and having them addressed, so that everyone is happier, instead of weaponizing the ticket system.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

My gnome is tired of being wet.

No way man. Watching a gnome get dismounted crossing a river every one else rode straight over is the height of quality humour. Especially if he’s being chased by a bunch of trolls on raptors with PVP flags.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

No. We will all have mounts scared of water/baths and we will love it. This is the other gbank thread start one up and we will discuss this change you request proper. It will be a short discussion.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Want, not need.

Security is a need. Your RL bank have a log?

Blizzard isn’t tweaking game mechanics to make gold sinks etc. This isn’t really an argument for why it should be included, its “Hey maybe this is a benefit”.

That is why I said
or it’s accepted as a gold sink Thought that being a benefit was implied because I have never said add them because “goldsink”. Also when I added “as it seems blizz viewed them on live because they didn’t say boo about personal guild banks for years”. /shrug

I never said it was guild busting drama. I said that in-guild squabbles should be sorted out by the group instead of running to Blizzard.

No but I did because squabbles can lead to guilds falling apart. There will be plenty of that without GBA’s. If gbanks can deter some of that as you said they possibly could hey look another added benefit. Oh but wait people already told you guys about the other community building benefits of gbanks 14 threads ago.
Having to buy the tabs would also give a solid community goal for the guild to achieve together and be proud of the hard work and good times had by all farming up the gold to build the gbank.

Knowing to not invite Warrior X, because his last guild kicked him out for stealing from the Guild Bank.

Oh. You haven’t read any of these threads I see. With a GBA how do you even know he’s stealing? There’s no log other than the one Warrior X doctored up. Lol.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Wasn’t the excuse they might break the game used as to why they couldn’t expand the backpack?

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

The point of my post is that you’re creating a middle ground where there is no need for one. Acting as if it is heavily requested enough to warrant a call for such when it is not.

Edit: Just to note that was my point and is thusly my belief. A belief that may or may not be wrong. Not going to argue it as fact.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

I will not argue your idea. It sounds like a good one I will admit, I was primarily arguing the basics of the argument for a guild bank and likely mistook Manzo for arguing such when he was more or less arguing the idea you brought up in general.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

That assumption is easy to make when your intellectual attention span surrenders past the second line of any opposing post.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

This legit made me lol.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

It was because the coding for the backpack was done in the extremely early stages of development which meant that doing any code editing to the backpack risked issues throughout all of the character and UI based codes. i.e. it’d take a lot of work to get it done and even more to assure that it doesn’t cause glitches or bugs throughout an array of other things.

This is likely why it did not take them long to change the base UI once the backpack was given the ability to gain 4 more slots.

[Anadann-icecrown]

Yes, those bags slots. You know, the ones that nobody else can get to meaning they can’t steal from you.

[Anadann-icecrown]

No. They can’t steal from a guild bank. Any item taken from a guild bank is an item to which the guild master has granted them access. If your guild master is inept or corrupt, it’s not Blizzard’s responsibility. They even state that they won’t get involved in matter of guild theft.

Of course, people will then respond with “Well, Blizzard doesn’t follow their own rules”. Well, if they don’t follow their own rules, there’d be no reason for them to even acknowledge any reports of guild theft.

[Moxu-magtheridon]

I think this is a great idea.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

And that doesn’t mean there aren’t basic protections now available that weren’t in Vanilla that are going to be in Classic.

Guild banks aren’t a “basic protection.” They aren’t necessary to the functionality of Classic.

Don’t try and be condescending. You can do anything you like. You don’t have to use a guild bank.

Just because I can choose not to use them doesn’t mean I want them in the game. I could just as easily choose not to use LFR/LFG or transmog, but that doesn’t mean I want it in the game.

This whole “you don’t have to use it” argument is bunk.

What you can’t do anymore is waste Blizzard’s time.

What do you mean? There would still be guild banks getting raided, and Blizzard will have to deal with tickets made regarding those issues.

Again, right click report, the modern back end.

A horrible feature that leads to tremendous amounts of abuse due to the automated punishment system attached to it.

There you have it, a solution that offers proof in case of misdeeds, and evidence towards which you can take action, instead of guessing if the guy in charge of your guild bank decided to go rogue and mail all of your mats, while still allowing someone to create their bank alt.

And that solution is still a feature that wasn’t in vanilla, so it has no place in Classic.

I don’t care how decent the solution is.

You know you can make it so that anyone who accesses a guild bank has an authenticator, right? You can’t make someone who runs your bank alt use an authenticator.

Yes, you can. Put an authenticator on the bank alt’s account.

Remember when authenticators were available in Vanilla?

Authenticators aren’t a game feature, though. Guild banks are.

Remember when Guild banks were in Vanilla? Neither do I.

This is the EXACT argument against guild banks, incidentally.

Make it cost! 1000G is clearly too small. 10,000 G would fix it, while making it rare enough to not have stigma attached.

The cost is inconsequential. The issue is whether it existed in vanilla or not. It didn’t, so it shouldn’t be in Classic. It is that simple.

[Jomjom-bloodscalp (Jomjom)]

The cost is inconsequential. The issue is whether it existed in vanilla or not. It didn’t, so it shouldn’t be in Classic. It is that simple.

I hear ya. We’re all afraid that blizzard could add something to mess up everything again.

Strictly in my opinion. I feel Vanilla was a half finished product, with all the instance portals that were never used. Without the original design team, we are possibly better off sticking to what we know works. 1.12

edit: even sylvanas uses an NE model. She’s clearly deserving of her own

[Manzo-argent-dawn (Manzo)]

Guild banks aren’t a “basic protection.” They aren’t necessary to the functionality of Classic.

Basic player protection. No matter what, security is what is at stake. Period.

Again, the museum might take you back in time, but behind the facade, is a modern security system.

Just because I can choose not to use them doesn’t mean I want them in the game. I could just as easily choose not to use LFR/LFG or transmog, but that doesn’t mean I want it in the game.

You can also not use guild bank alts. However, is there an alternative? Leave everyone up to themselves and not have a guild bank alt for guilds to pour their mats and gear into?

What do you mean? There would still be guild banks getting raided, and Blizzard will have to deal with tickets made regarding those issues.

What do you think I mean? Reporting specific players with actual evidence takes the guesswork out of what Blizzard CSRs have to do.

Without it? You’re much more likely to receive a form letter response that reads, “I’ll look into it.” And then never hear back because the GM gets sucked into some other issue.

A horrible feature that leads to tremendous amounts of abuse due to the automated punishment system attached to it.

Better than without this system. For every person here worried about “Retail trolls” - not a one of them seem to remember or know about the spam of Vanilla, or why Gnome protests were a thing.

Sorry, just because you want the Vanilla experience as it was in 2004 doesn’t change that it is 2019. Blizzard isn’t following you into this little fantasy. They’re going to do things the way that’s best for them.

The biggest problem people here have is that they want everything to be as it was in 2004, and they have the false expectation is that Blizzard is going to do things as it was in 2004. No, that was never the case.

The existence of Classic was built upon the premise that the Vanilla game could be reworked into the modern architecture and system - meaning, the Blizzard support system as it is now.

Blizzard had to answer individual tickets in Vanilla, about every little thing. Talking to a GM meant that they were asking questions and filling out a lot of forms as they spoke with you, taking an extraordinary amount of time. And I know, because I’ve certainly spent quite a bit of time talking to Gamemasters about issues from harassment to seeing content bug, or cheats, like the guys who could fly around in Vanilla, using exploits and hacks.

So, sorry that Blizzard isn’t just rereleasing Vanilla and forcing their CSRs to fill out pages of reports for every ticket again.

If it makes you feel better: Pick a reason why Blizzard isn’t doing that again. They just let a bunch of CSRs go. It cuts down on the CSRs’ workload. The CSRs are likely going to be shared between Retail and Classic.

Yes, you can. Put an authenticator on the bank alt’s account.

If it’s not your account, you can’t force it to be.

Authenticators aren’t a game feature, though. Guild banks are.

Authenticators aren’t a game feature. They’re a security feature.

Guild banks as they are in retail, are a game feature.

Guild banks as they are described here, are a security feature.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

@Manzo-argent-dawn

Authenticators aren’t a game feature. They’re a security feature.

Guild banks as they are in retail, are a game feature.

Guild banks as they are described here, are a security feature.

Well. Well. Said.

[Hothwompa-coilfang (Hothwompa)]

I think this is a great idea.

Thank you. I’m a little concerned that guild banks might make it into wow classic because of the security issues modern guild banks help to mitigate, and to dissuade account sharing for the purposes of managing guild assets.

But I’m also very interested in playing vanilla as authentic as possible, thusly I posited my idea in the op.