Yet another guild bank post

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

I could actually make the argument that guild banks increase security risk.

A hacker can see the guild ranks, chose a person of said rank knowing that all of those of said rank have the ability to access the guild bank and then hack their account.

If the guild master specifically choses who to manage it via personal conversation rather than ranking, then simply entering the guild as a lowbie or new member will not inform the hacker of who has the ability to access the items.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

Lastly. I am going to re-state this quote on the case that it has now likely been easily overlooked. And for others to see and please feel free to use all of the points made in it in arguing against guild banks.

@Melaned-blackrock

But as for changes?

• The demand for bags. This will alter the ability to gain gold as a tailor.
• The demand for cloth. This will alter the ability to gain gold from AH’ing cloth.
• Alteration of guild management. This will alter how many guilds will manage their goods. Players will be ranked to specifically deal with bank tasks etc.
• Increased guild creation. This will increase the numbers of guilds created as there will be guilds made solely for storing items.
• Altered guild UI. No details needed really.
• Altered bank areas to have the guild banks obviously.
• Increasing the demand to be in major cities to use the guild bank.
• Decreases the value set on having good bag space. You will be able to just packrat stuff on a single character with a large guild bank.
• This adds another gold sink.
• It also adds incentive to keep an old guild rather than just let it die and have its name open up down the line.
• Reduces the number of characters needed to manage items being kept over time.
• By reducing the trades and mail sent between players for their upcoming raids it also slightly streamlines a bit of the player interaction.

These were the changes I could think of off the top of my head. Are they all of them? I do not believe so.

And let’s be honest here. In the end this is a recreation of Vanilla WoW as Classic. It is not a complete recreation yes, but it is done in the concept of recreating it as it should be remembered. This did not exist in Vanilla nor should it in Classic.

I am not crazy, I will not directly state that “adding guild banks would kill classic!” but I do not believe there is a need nor an outstanding want for such a thing. Do I believe that as a change it is one of the lesser affecting ones made over time? Yes. Do I enjoy the concept of the guild bank? Yes I love it actually. But I do not believe it belongs in Classic as it was not part of the Vanilla experience. Something I am looking for them to help recreate.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

If you don’t put your stuff in a GUILD bank, you’re not helping your GUILD.

Indeed, which is why I also said this:

If you need to put your stuff in the guild bank, it’s not any more or less secure just because it’s an official feature.

Anyone with access to the guild bank, whether that’s an official feature or just some alt you all send items to, is perfectly capable of taking everything.

Perhaps you should read more than one sentence or two from each post before replying.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

No, I’m good, thanks.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

No, I’m good, thanks.

I thought not. You can’t be bothered to actually read and reply to the part of the argument that actually defeats your arguments.

Typical.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

Yeah at this point he is trolling. Ignoring his posts entirely as he does to those he responds to is likely the best option. A suggestion if you will.

And now I am just further helping to bury my quoted post yet again so I am out of this thread.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

I thought not. You can’t be bothered to actually read and reply to the part of the argument that actually defeats your arguments.

If you can’t make a logical argument to start, why bother finishing?

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

Ignoring his posts entirely as he does to those he responds to is likely the best option.

I wouldn’t mind if that’s what he was doing.

Alas, he’s doing something far more cowardly, which is pretending to address arguments made by others while ignoring the actual substance of what they’re saying.

It’s about the equivalent of me doing this:

you’re not helping your GUILD.

Yes, I am. I’m very helpful to my guild.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Yes, I am. I’m very helpful to my guild.

Not if you’re not sharing.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

you’re not sharing.

Yes, I am. I share with my guild all the time.

[Manzo-argent-dawn (Manzo)]

The idea I had was to re-format the guildbank to reflect the size of a character and replicate the functional effect of having a Vanilla bank alt.

Instead of a tab, it would be a character’s “bank,” with as many inventory slots as a character with bags and bank space.

If you’re going to make a goldsink, then a monthly maintenance fee, instead of just a one-time payment, which gets locked if the guildbank doesn’t have the gold to pay it.

The “guildbank” itself would be represented by an NPC that can be made to look like an appropriate alt or a preset designated by the GM. Officers could then interact with this NPC and see logs of the guildbank, with one player being designated the Quatermaster or whatnot to be given the task of managing the inventory.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

If you can’t make a logical argument to start, why bother finishing?

The introduction of an argument is not the defining point of an argument.

A well made argument stays strong or ramps up with points as the argument goes on. Labelling it as weak based on the first one to two lines is essentially “judging a book by it’s cover”.

Statements like this are a pet peeve of mine as a high IQ debater personality type, but this is my final post here for an extended time even if the replies are annoying. The essentials of debating and getting one’s points through are extremely basic that misunderstanding them is to mindlessly argue like a child. I say that in general, not calling anyone as such.

Yes, I am. I’m very helpful to my guild.

Not gonna lie the response that this got made me lol.

AND THEN THE NEXT REPLY LMFAO.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Yes, I am. I share with my guild all the time.

So you’re online 24/7? If you’re holding on to all your mats I find that impossible and a lie.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

The idea I had was…

… to make changes. No, thanks.

you’re holding on to all your mats

No, I’m not. I deposit them all into the guild bank.

Not gonna lie the response that this got made me lol.

AND THEN THE NEXT REPLY LMFAO.

I don’t think he’s realized what I’m doing yet.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

I don’t think he’s realized what I’m doing yet.

Contradicting yourself?

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

Contradicting yourself?

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Manzo-argent-dawn (Manzo)]

… to make changes. No, thanks.

shrug There are changes in place already. Doing what’s best for the community at large. Guild banks aren’t off the table if it has something to do with game security.

Classic is a museum piece, not a rerelease. They’re going to make, and already have made changes where they are necessary in order to prevent people from climbing over the walls.

[Gnostik-sisters-of-elune]

Let’s not forget that bank characters or “mules” still existed.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

There are changes in place already.

Yep. I disapprove of all of them.

Doing what’s best for the community at large.

I disagree. Making changes is exactly what drove so many of us away in the first place, and I don’t trust Blizzard AT ALL to do what’s best for the community at large.

Guild banks aren’t off the table

Yes, they are. No changes.

They’re going to make, and already have made changes where they are necessary in order to prevent people from climbing over the walls.

Cool, but does that explain why guild banks are necessary?

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Yep. I disapprove of all of them.

Great! You have an opinion. So do other people.