Yet another guild bank post

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

@Manzo-argent-dawn

Don’t try and be condescending. You can do anything you like. You don’t have to use a guild bank. You can do things the old way with a bank alt. You can use EPGP, you can use DKP. You can use Master Loot. You can auction drops in a raid for gold.

You realize that that is the same argument for flight right? Path of Least Resistance Gaming fallacy.

@Manzo-argent-dawn

For all the talk of people have of “server blacklists” - the resistance against a solution that allows for added transparency without affecting the Vanilla experience is contrary to the effectiveness of that whole concept. All people had then was your word, forgetting that without PROOF, you could just as easily be dismissed as trying to start drama.

This point relies on an assumption that guild banks cause no alterations of the “Vanilla experience” if you will. That is a false assumption. Guild banks will indeed cause multiple changes to the overall experience of Classic in it’s attempt to be an authentic “Vanilla experience”.

@Manzo-argent-dawn

What you can’t do anymore is waste Blizzard’s time. Again, right click report, the modern back end. What Blizzard doesn’t want to make their support team is go back through your guildmate’s history and try and determine what they did and did not do with your guild’s bank alt. If you’ve got proof, they’ll act on it. If you don’t, “they’ll look into it.”

So? Blizzard doesn’t want to waste money on moderators period. If they could reduce money spent on moderation of activity in the game without compromising the game then they would.

@Manzo-argent-dawn

There you have it, a solution that offers proof in case of misdeeds, and evidence towards which you can take action, instead of guessing if the guy in charge of your guild bank decided to go rogue and mail all of your mats, while still allowing someone to create their bank alt.

In-game action history is not all that hard to deal with. Just because we don’t have access to the history of how items went from point A to point B does not mean that Blizzard’s employees don’t. I’ve had items backtracked through an expansion or two. Seeing how they attained and item and what happened to it is not hard.

@Manzo-argent-dawn

Accountability is an added layer of security, as much as the authenticator. You know you can make it so that anyone who accesses a guild bank has an authenticator, right? You can’t make someone who runs your bank alt use an authenticator.

I am unsure of where you are getting at with this. Proper guild management is just fine where it is. Also this argument hurts your side as well. Do you know why they added the authenticator requirement option? Because learning who the officers of a guild were that had access to the guild bank was extremely easy and thus hacking said accounts to wipe clean all of the valuables of said guild banks was an issue. An issue I should note that was created by the introduction of guild banks.

@Manzo-argent-dawn

Remember when authenticators were available in Vanilla? Neither do I. Yet here they are.

Affects gameplay in zero ways other than extreme purists wanting the full original login experience.

@Manzo-argent-dawn

Remember when Guild banks were in Vanilla? Neither do I. We had guild bank alts. And there’s nothing saying that we can’t turn that guild bank alt into a guild bank.

Really?

@Melaned-blackrock

But as for changes?

• The demand for bags. This will alter the ability to gain gold as a tailor.
• The demand for cloth. This will alter the ability to gain gold from AH’ing cloth.
• Alteration of guild management. This will alter how many guilds will manage their goods. Players will be ranked to specifically deal with bank tasks etc.
• Increased guild creation. This will increase the numbers of guilds created as there will be guilds made solely for storing items.
• Altered guild UI. No details needed really.
• Altered bank areas to have the guild banks obviously.
• Increasing the demand to be in major cities to use the guild bank.
• Decreases the value set on having good bag space. You will be able to just packrat stuff on a single character with a large guild bank.
• This adds another gold sink.
• It also adds incentive to keep an old guild rather than just let it die and have its name open up down the line.
• Reduces the number of characters needed to manage items being kept over time.
• By reducing the trades and mail sent between players for their upcoming raids it also slightly streamlines a bit of the player interaction.

These were the changes I could think of off the top of my head. Are they all of them? I do not believe so.