Let’s remember that classic is not about the original vanilla and how we can break it after 15 years.
We are here to experience the community, to relive the struggle and the success.
Currently AV became very impersonal. I join with random people, I win, I re-queue as soon as possible, and say at most “thanks”. It feels so retail - it hurts.
On top of that AV is the honor grind meta. That means for someone who like me, works and has family, and has a hefty goal of reaching rank 10. This game becomes retail. It’s a terrible though. I don’t mind the grinds, but I want to have an impact, I want to join a community, make a team, win, and feel accomplished.
Instead I just see: time = honor, there are no other variables. P2 was better in that regard.
Let’s adjust the vision - let go of #nochanges, and mold the game we love to fit 2020.
Maybe in Classic+ if that ever comes out. Otherwise I dont see it happening. I think the AV meta is stupid but it seems like a lot of people just want Classic WoW, warts and all.
It doesn’t have to be so extreme. One step at the time.
You could start by making AV’s PvE content adequate to skill/gear that people have. Alternatively, have it give less honor, if honor is a type of pvp effort metric. Currently it is not, its a metric of time.
Blizzard has a power to control meta, they should use it for good. These forums could help guide it.
As someone actively ranking and aiming for 14, I hate this AV meta but I don’t think they’re going to make any changes to it. I’m just hoping we’ll get another accelerated content launch with Arathi Basin, because premade AB is better than AV while also having actual PvP that you can do with your actual friends.
It’s easy to criticize. Suggest something esle then.
Do you really think that #nochanges is what Classic was about?
It was about how every upcoming patch, changed the class power, adding new content, changing meta. Yes reliving classic is ideal, but we are in the world where players turn it to retail.
Imagine in p3 blizzard made some odd white item super expensive, that is what classic was about.
Blizzard publicly eating crow, and revisiting an old version of the game, with a completely different vision than it’s current retail version, is something that took A LOT of work and public response to get done.
Putting an artificial cap on Classic seems like a waste of an opportunity to get Blizzard to make right on a significant game design pivot point made after TBC.
I can’t make a claim to speak for everyone, but my take from most of the #nochanges talk has been from a place of fear that allowing Blizzard to change anything from pre-expac WOW would open up the gates to changes that are consistent with the game philosophy that’s brought us retail. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and they’ll take all the warts & short comings to protect against that.
That said, I’d be okay with Blizzard making something like a Classic+ because they’d be making changes consistent with the original vision of WOW, and not based on the game philosophy that brought us the follow-up iterations after TBC.
I think Blizzard understands there are two objectives, and two audiences, between Classic and Retail. There is no reason they would change Classic in a way that would be consistent with how they are approaching Retail because they have Retail to serve that audience.
This would give solve the long term health problem that players will eventually run into with Classic, and seize an opportunity for Blizzard to get another shot at giving the Classic player base the game they want…short of developing a WOW 2.0
Appetite comes with eating, my friend.
When we had retail, classic is what we wanted, and we were scared. Now I see classic turning to retail, people find clever ways of breaking the game.
Spy addon was fixed (why, because it is a new idea for an addon), av queueing schemes can be fixed too for example.
I can see that most people are taking it because, AB will come out and change things, or we will stick it out and Naxx will be the saviour.
Instead, It will be more and more like retail, if not protected by Blizzard.
Don’t you do this. Don’t you take this away from me. I am looking forward to the screeching (notably from PvP realms) of what a bloodbath that little hallway has become when BWL releases.