Okay but when tf is the pre patch
That’s why they’re not doing it lol
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The primary issue is that people who want to pvp (largely just the twinks) can’t, because the queus won’t pop, because they’re too small a population to sustain themselves (and even if they weren’t, they don’t actually want to fight people capable of fighting back)
The problem is the normal players largely already don’t do bgs while leveling BECAUSE IT’S NOT WORTH THEIR TIME. Adding a bunch of twinks into normie leveling bracket bgs is just going to cause even less normies to queu up.
The entire “solution” being proposed here is just throwing gasoline on an already existing fire and pretending it’s water.
The real solution is
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Remove “XP off” entirely.
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Buff XP gains from bgs until people are actually encouraged to queu up more, thus increasing participation.
That’s how you actually encourage participation.
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Original WotLK had 12 million players. Classic has what… less than 10% of that?
And then you drone on how levelling BGs were busy? What’s the relevance of that when the population size is dramatically different? THAT is why this change is being made.
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Less players playing TBC versus Classic.
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It may cause certain people to “really think”. The simple and easy answer is less people playing TBC than Classic.
Twinks are getting games to pop but it has required co-ordination. In the 39 bracket, activity has picked up and we’ve had 6 evenings in a row of games.
As for “ loser twinks who suck so bad at end game that they have to outgear you by 15 levels in a bracket people are just passing through.”, I compete well enough even though I am not twinked and my attached armory shows that I am a fully capable end game player.
Look, some players just aren’t very good and cannot bridge the gap against opponents that have better gear. I can do it. Your anger at this tells me that you cannot bridge the gap due to lesser playing ability.
Hey, that’s OK. Not everyone is elite. I have given some pointers on this thread in terms of easy/free gearing available and strats for lesser geared players but in the end, bad players that don’t want to make any effort at all and think that if they queue as a level 31 in questing greens, they should be entitled to be as powerful as everyone else are just going to be maaaaaaad.
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at level cap gear being good is expected, yes. even then leniency should be given as pve gear is not good for it. and honor needs to be farmed. its not easy at the level cap gear up…
but that is the what comes at level cap.
to some the ideal goal of leveling bg is to get it fairer. to make it an actual learning experience. pvp is not fair, yes. But it doesn’t have be the extreme of loaded dice unfair either.
there on the field of battle is the 23 draeneii paladin meeting the 23 blood elf paladin
full story runs as neither has dungeons to run. basically the same quest greens.
one will fall. and when they fall they have a very true and legit “git gud” ego check moment. they messed up something. It’s time to work out what that was.
gear disparity has been removed. similar levels, same casts. little johny or janey must realize they were not good that time. and now know to fix it.
xp off twink removes that. they will run 20 dungeons for a guide’s or personal liked bis. and never level. they will get a perfect char for the bracket. and never leave it. enters gear disparity. as they zone in on the 23 and drop them.
the normals…will never be perfect gear. if they even get dungeon its for xp, not to get gear to own WSG. basically normal go into leveling bg with crap greens as its all they have. they won’t be running mines 30 times to own 19 bracket. they will be xp on and in the 20’s then.
remove the twinks and that is fine. most of the teams both side are now crap geared. now we got almost all 15 people losing on skill, or lack there of. now they learn.
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Hey just curious, will EXP in battlegrounds be able to compete with say questing/dungeon grinding?
blizzard boomers are the biggest crybabies i have seen in any game, they are trying to do subtle changes that may not even be permanent to experiment and see if it can improve the game, don’t get me wrong blizz has done some record world breaking dumb stuff over the years, but what they’ve done for wow classic so far hasn’t been that bad really.
That is a pretty bizarre leap in logic you have taken there. I can just imagine Blizzard removing Ulduar from Wotlk and having Jeddite stumble in and say “well TBC didn’t have Ulduar so it’s fine”. Perfectly sound reasoning.
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Excellent choice. Bracket segregation did great damage and forced transfers in Wrath. This is a win for everybody. Heirlooms on alts leveling in BGs already even the playing field quite a bit. People forget twinks lost head, shoulder and leg enchants in Wrath and also lost fishing boots. Twinks do much less damage and have less HP in Wrath than compared to Classic and TBC.
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a Venn Diagram of players who are PRO removing LFD/RDF and ANTI not-bifurcating the sub-80 BG brackets would be interesting.
Yes. You get it.
The solution is to just not support twinks. Do not cater to them in the first place. By allowing xp off to co-mingle with leveling participants it creates a toxic environment that will backfire and participation will be limited, thus not solving any problem.
I like the idea you’ve suggested - it’s positive reinforcement. Want to do pvp while leveling? Here’s some BONUS xp! Here’s how your time is valued! Heck yeah - I’d do that. Even if it was something silly like one match per day.
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My question for the twinks is this. If twinking is so fun and you are all so skilled then why can’t the twinking community keep games going 7 days a week on their own and instead seems to be brought to life by a bunch of cannon fodder when leveling players roll through en masse? I guess the real question is why does the twinking fall off when there are no more easy targets?
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“Twinks make pvp an unequal playing field”
Every single person in WoW can create a twink. Hence no longer making anything unequal if it’s obtainable by everyone. Just like every single player in wow at max level can get pvp gear. If the argument is “well I don’t have it while leveling, so it’s not equal” I don’t know what to tell you that’s a generational gap in putting in work for a reward and not just being handed the easy way out.
Back in the day with twinks, every bracket was active. I would argue mage boost carries (which thank god were nerf’d so the world feels alive again) and people now rushing to max level have killed bg’s. And the fact that there is no reward for them at a lower level currently. If the exp is right, I think they will populate, yes, even with twinks in them.
I would also argue most if not all “twinks” have a fully leveled toon to supply an alt (twink) with gear/help obtain gear.
Most of those mains do a majority of the game content, and use their twinks for fun in downtime. Or… “Play the game as intended”… O.o
That all being said you’ve been nothing but negative on this entire thread and unable to accept potential other’s ideals.
I have 4 lvl 70s, all of which were made before I twinked anything. I main raided on 2 of close, clearing original naxx etc the “normal stuff” you say people with twinks can’t do at max level because everyone with twinks are “bad.”
I was also extremely high rated in rbg’s when they first came out in cata idk something like 2900-3k s9 when only 2-3 teams had ratings close to that… not that it matters but just to reply to your continuous comments of “all people who twink are toxic trash and can’t play the game”.
I currently have a 60 twink shaman that I use only to fight 70s or people group ganking questers in hellfire. I never attack someone my level first, unless it’s a group of 2 or more ganking someone who’s questing. Or the occasional arathi basin vs lvl 69 which yes, pop throughout the day with idk 10-15 minute waits usually between queues.
Oh and you said at 70 and 80 you can “gear up” and play as intended. Every single person in the game can “gear up” at any level they so choose. It’s possible for everyone. Longer you play at max level, better your gear is. Guess what, that applies to every other level too if you put time into a toon.
To answer the last comment twinks loved fighting other twinks the misconception that they only fight non-geared players and then quit when other twinks are around is from people like this guy I’m replying to who despise twinks because they haven’t put effort in to even trying it out. People who are set in their own ways and refuse to try anything new. In original WOTLK we had nonstop twink v twink bg’s going constantly and they were way more fun than smashing “fodder” as people like to call them. Twinking fell off when they forced a different queue. Because bg’s stopped popping. Before that it was very active, regardless of what people are trying to make you believe.
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So then you agree that when the easy targets were removed there were either not enough twinks to sustain it or the majority of the twinks quit because they weren’t happy with the new found much more level playing field? Perhaps a combination of both?
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I guess it’s just a niche community. In Vanilla, it was almost pointless for a leveller to participate since you did not get XP, and PvP gear was gated behind reputation (meaning, you had to play a lot to get access to some gear).
In TBC, reputation gating was gone but gear still generally required 20 tokens (10 for lesser pieces) to acquire a single piece. Still, a not worthy exercise for a leveller to participate in.
Mid-TBC, Blizzard made a change that significantly reduced the tokens required to buy gear (e.g., AB boots requiring only 2 tokens, previous 20, plus a bit of honor). At this point, I’d say it was worth queuing a few games to get some blue PvP gear. However, at this point, not many players were levelling toons, they didn’t know about how easy PvP gear was to acquire and TBC had a lesser overall population.
It is a good time for everyone to queue… it will be even better when xp is available. Pick up your belt, boots, rings, necklaces, trinkets, cloaks, wrist and weapons for a marginal amount of play time. Even if you level the traditional way (dungeons and quests), doing some BGs will help you get great gear.
I expect low level BGs to be very popular. Twinks carried them in Classic and TBC, but more levellers (including BoA budget twinks) will start taking up a larger percentage of the team.
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The population destroyed it. Like I said we ran twink v twink games all the time. But when you have 12million players and you limit it to only exp off which isn’t the majority of player base it’s hard to organize games all throughout the day.
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This is 100% not true. I would say 5% maybe, if you’re lucky. I support twink play, but you’re talking way out of your ars here.
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There must not be very many twinks if they can’t find even 20 of them on any given night to get a WSG pop. Also should note that heirlooms are competitive with most twink gear. Levelers will be fine.
I just hope players will be actively reporting the afk players leeching xp while they run into a wall or sit in stealth the entire game.
we use to smack twinks around with our heirloom gear…
Just stay out of bgs if you suck or your feelings get hurt easily
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