X-realm/server, grouping automation: The crux of the WoW player and community

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At the core of the entire WoW playerbase, that has ever played any version of the game, ever, there are two types of WoW players and from this primary principle, WoW is shaped and presented to the public.

These are the two types of WoW players at the very core of all of WoW, ever…

  1. Players that prefer grouping through X-realm/server automation; e.g. LFR, random BGs, skirmishes, what not.

  2. Players that don’t prefer X-realm/server automation and want manual grouping for everything; e.g. guilds, organized PuGs, GDKP, what not.

By picking and choosing where grouping automation can exist, and developing weaker, specific content for that automated group content, the company basically created a caste system of haves and have-nots, first-class and second-class WoW players, simply for choosing how you want to group.

All X-realm/server automation should have ever been, is a tool for grouping people that don’t want to manually join a group, and just want automation to do that for them.

The lack of grouping automation puts power in the hands of the few that are adept at organizing groups, which gives them control over those that want access to content…

That is the reason, the anti-RDF players don’t want grouping automation of any kind. From this, GDKP, RMT, and a culture of exclusivity rises and permeates the game.

Don’t take my word for it…Everything the company has done backs up my entire claim…

LFR was designed with only one raid, Dragon Soul, and on a difficulty deemed suited only for randomly accessed groups.

Rated BGs were created queue-less but hand out rewards greater than simply doing random BGs. Same thing with skirmishes and rated arena; in this case, skirmishes reward absolutely nothing, not even honor, at least that’s how it is currently in Wrath and previously in BC classic.

Simply put, I’m discriminated against by the company at the behest of its player demographic liaisons, simply because I don’t want to join a guild, go…LFG… in chat, and would rather just group automatically, outside of my server, for my content.

It is what it is.

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:roll_eyes:

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The only thing you really need a guild for is to clear the second half of mythic raids.

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Counter point.

Automated groups requires they be easily able to be completed. It negates the chance things can be challenging.

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That’s why you have lesser difficulties. So you can queue for content you are capable of, and come back at a later time and try the harder stuff with a random group.

Point is… There’s no obstacle for grouping. You can join a guild or organized group for a better chance at success or you can try your luck in a random group…

That’s fair for everyone.

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But, once again. If a group is automated there is an expectation (from the playerbase) of completion, despite difficulty.

A queue would have to look at melee/ranged ratio, brez, lust, etc. Then also change what it looks for based on affixes.

I do not trust the playerbase to not demand nerfs to content if queues are implemented gamewide.

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This Sunday post suck in before the deadline.

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Ahh the illusionary “playerbase” excuse. Was waiting for someone like you to bite.

Is this the same playerbase that got Cata dungeons nerfed the first around when they complained about those?

What about the playerbase that screamed for RDF at the launch of Wrath classic and were largely neglected for 3/4s of the expansion?

What about the SSC and Tempest keep nerfs that were done in BC classic? Was that the same playerbase too?

How interesting that this “playerbase” can wield such power and hold sway over the devs on an issue, but suddenly become impotent on others.

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the logistical nightmare that having auto que’s for M+ is difficult but i wouldnt even wanna see what it would take for a raid to fire off through the que system, lfr is brain dead and is usually complete by 8 and a half people. but letting what could be considered bots do norm and heroic is a little tougher how do you determine what the quota to que is?

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But then that’s the point I’m making. It is the player’s prerogative to decide if they want to put themselves through that…

Not yours…

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Dosent blizz have some sort of quote about que’d content and success rate and how they want to keep the success rate above 80%, I don’t really care about this either way fwiw. I feel like they introduce it and than its player outcry of failure rates, would eventually lead to a negative feed back loop where fewer and fewer players to enter the que.

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Yes.

But you can’t say the game has fair access for everyone if group automation doesn’t exist for everything.

I may be a minority in what I’m asking for sure, and they’re not going to cater just to a small minority (although they have in the past), but…

None of it takes away from me being 100% right…

If I can’t queue for everything through automation, then fair access doesn’t exist for everybody; even if that “everybody” is only a small portion in the grand scheme of things.

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Let’s start the road to equality by removing the extra dmg/healing buff that people using dungeon finder get, and taking Determination out of LFR. Also add all mechanics to all difficulties.

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Not what I’m saying at all.

This is why I know I’m 100% right. Only the priest above me has attempted to offer any reasonable rebuttal.

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You’re saying you’re discriminated against while ignoring all the things Blizzard bends over backwards to do for you.

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You mean like my boy Birmingham that was heck-bent and keeping RDF out of Wrath for good?

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:roll_eyes:

We would have constant complaints about the queue putting together groups that cant do the content, or the content is too hard. And if the queue takes into consideration utility, then we’d have constant complaints about the queue taking too long for certain specs.

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Here’s the only rebuttal needed:
It isn’t Sunday, and your post has such insane takes as this.

If you don’t want to partake in organized content, then you won’t participate in organized content. This is a self-defeating prophecy because “oh my god, LFR something, something, I’m discriminated against”.

To participate in organized content, take the steps necessary to do that. Whether it is to be a permanent PUG-raider/-M+/-rated BGs, or anything else, or joining a guild and … let’s not beat around the bush. “Stand and Fight” is a guild. If it is a guild with just you in it … well, that’s entirely your own doing.

It isn’t Sunday. Leave these posts until then.

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Just saw a video this morning on this exact topic, OP. Very long, but goes deep into how the culture of the game has morphed into haves who feel entitled to have much, much more, and have nots who the haves think shouldn’t exist.

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I’ll watch it later and come back with my opinion on that, to see if it’s relevant.

So then they would have the option of using the queue or manually grouping.

That’s my entire point.

What you mean is bend to the will of the parties I’m trying to join; all going to the points I’m trying to make.