I didn’t say the fight was easier. I said shadows kit lines up better against it.
And yes, I also said that Raest could do with a hp nerf. But to reduce it to the original ratio would put his hp around what? 40k?
I am not advocating for the ratios to be exactly the same. I’m advocating that Raest’s health be reduced to a point where the amount of time it takes to down him is comparable to that in Legion.
I find it hard to believe that you are sincere when you say that shadow is better at handling the challenge than in Legion. A major mechanic is kiting and shadow priests have lost abilities to make that happen without anything to compensate. Shadow priests still had silence and dispersion in legion for dealing with Hands from Beyond. The best ability to burst them down, Void Torrent, was baseline in Legion. You now have to sacrifice a talent for it.
I mean as far as I’m concerned weve swapped a slowroll ramping sustained damage profile for actual cooldowns we can line up with the two raest burns, and gained desperate prayer as an extra way to survive a hand explosion.
Also void torrent is on half the cooldown and does comparatively much more direct damage since its primary use in legion was extending voidform.
Shadows challenge is tuned significantly tighter than it was in legion, but if you gave legion shadow this challenge (Without surrender) it’d be harder than doing it with SL shadow
Is it possible to complete this challenge without consumables (killing Raest only) on shadow priest? If not, is shadow priest really in a better place? I have not been able to find anyone capable of doing this.
Idk. Ied say legions was much easier. And I was still using primarily pvp gear then and had no actual leggo. Not as easy as dk Agatha. That’s a joke of a joke. But still easy compared to now. Even doing it now in pvp gear sucks. Doable but sucks
Whether or not it is or isn’t only speaks to the tuning of the encounter, not how well shadow’s kit lines up with its mechanics.
Well, I guess I can agree with you there. Why am I getting so defensive? It seems we agree the encounter has some tuning issues.
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I don’t think the tuning for this particular challenge is that far off, like I honestly don’t think using drums or a pot is particularly excessive, but I do understand the perspective of those that do. Also I think killing Karam is a legitimate strategy, blizzard even compensated their recent change by reducing the damage increase he gets from his enrage, which I’d say shows blizzard thinks it is too.
Knocking off 5-8% hp from Raest would have a big impact on how much of phase 5 you’d have to play to kill it.
Shadows challenge was designed around old school surrender to madness which had us casting while moving for well over a minute while also dealing crazy damage
After this comment I went back in to have a crack at this, just managed it. It’s not a defence of the tower’s difficulty because it was incredibly tight and far beyond the capabilities of the average player, but it was just about doable. SL gear, no consumables. Had Raest at about 40% when the final phase started, so 12% above where I’d normally have him.
Dang, that takes some serious skill in my opinion! What talents did you use? I’ve tried the StM burn strategy and after the first burst on Raest I can get him down to only 75%-80%. After the second burst I can only get him to about 50%. After that I end up getting overwhelmed by Karam or Hands from Beyond at about 25%.
Fortress, Body, Twist, Horror, Spirits, Torrent, Hungering
Went back in with my camera on and did it again.
Once again I must stress none of this is meant as a defence of the current tuning, I think this fight is too hard, but not by a massive amount. I just like hard solo content, and I like challenging myself to play better in that content.
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That was exciting to watch! Thanks!
Have you beaten it at all btw? Cuz you’re wearing the mog but from the sounds of this you haven’t quite managed it yet.
I’ve been helping several people over discord this week if you want me to take a look and offer some advice.
I completed it doing the slow strategy before it was fixed.
Ahhhh ok!
Weirdly, that’s the way I found it the hardest 
but I know many other people were thankful such a strategy existed to bypass the final dps check. And I guess still are with the current Karam strat.
Oh, it still took me an embarrassing number of tries to complete it. 
I don’t think any number is embarrassing frankly. You learn, progress, and eventually defeat it at your own pace.
I’m curious if its possible to do the Karam strat without consumables. I’m running out of gold. my problem is that I’ve already used silence and dispersion in p3 which means that in p5 i only have one silence. on the second hand in p5 i have nothing. In your video, with all your consumables you kill Karam before that second hand finishes the cast. I’ve never been able to do this. The best I’ve done is kill the second hand with VoidT before it casts but that is very very rare. This fight is def in the upper range of difficulty compared to other MT fights.
I haven’t done this necessarily, but I did do it with really bad talents (Death and madness, AM psychic link, damnation) which absolutely tanked my damage and I was still able to do 50% of raests hp after Karam died. I’m certain it’s possible to kill Karam and then raest without consumables.
As for failing the Voit kill on hands, all I can think is you’re either slow to target or don’t have the resources saved / aren’t getting them out in the right order. Your mastery buffs your spells for each dot you have on the target, so having 3 dots up in the first 3 gcds of a hand before torrenting is a really big part of getting that kill.
Even with that, you have desperate prayer as a 4th answer to hands. Karam will despawn any active hands when he dies, so you can technically go.
P3:
Silence kill hand 1
Prayer kill hand 2
Silence kill hand 3
P3 burn:
Silence kill hand 1
Disperse ignore hand 2
Kill Karam before hand 2 casts twice.
That extra 10 seconds should be enough. It was for me when I was doing this without void torrent so I’d hope it is at least.
If you’re in the priest or wowhead discords you can send me a DM and I’ll go through it with you if you have time tomorrow.
Ellipsis - Ice Bear is the name.
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