If you know people use the token to pay for their subs and mayhap a little gold then it’s serving its purpose. People still get to play whilst curbing an even bigger issue which back in the day were gold farming bots that not only ate resources and killed mobs people needed fornquests,but hacked accounts to increase the ranks and sell people’s toons.
Tokens were made to curb this problem while having the little extra bonus to allow people to pay for their game and maybe purchase another game from Blizzard IE- expansion preorder,Overwatch,Diablo 3 or 4,etc. Just to throw this out here,even if said token didn’t exist multiboxxers would still box [just woke up so glossed over that bit] This hate towards the token seems not only od but kinda silly IMO.
one reason tokens are good is it means i don’t have to give blizzard my money to buy game time or services. i am well aware they are still getting money but they aren’t getting my money and i am fine with that.
A tenet of his argument is that were the tokens not there, the multiboxers wouldn’t be here either because they’d have to pay cash money to instead ill gotten gold to continue playing.
Really any way that RL cash can spill into the game world is problematic. Tokens made third-party gold selling too dangerous/unprofitable for former farmers to bother with, which was good, but all of the negative effects of gold buying remained and intensified because buying tokens won’t get you banned.
It’s interesting how the community’s attitude has shifted. A decade ago these forums would blow up at the slightest suggestion of in-game benefit for RL cash, but now there’s no shortage of players who are happy to dump truckloads of cash into the game, which I find rather insane. If I had to guess the driving factor was probably mobile apps/games hypernormalizing cash shops and P2W, but who knows.
1.) high end boosts like 2200 RBG or 2400 Arena are rarely offered for gold, because they’re probably worth upwards of $1,000
2.) people with this kind of money are going to to go said third party and pay with real money if the wow token doesn’t exist. So wow tokens aren’t ruining anything.
3.) anyone with a booted MMR to that level will probably get blacklisted by the community after one game. Again, that high of MMR consists of less than 1,000 people, which is super tight knit.
So, wow tokens are really there so Blizzard doesn’t have to fix 1,000,000 compromised accounts. Trust me, in wrath it was a nightmare in many guilds, mine included. Blizzard recovering an entire guild bank and mailing it to you is something they don’t want to do.
Therefore, wow tokens, if anything, are a good thing. If they don’t exist people will still buy boosts. And for the most part, these kinds of boosts do not affect competition, as they’re done at end of seasons when they’re boosting CE or extremely high end PvP by a very small number of players who can afford it.
I don’t think it’s killing the game, but more than anything I wish it was removed. I just hate any type of real cash for in game rewards that can lead to power gain.
Now don’t get me wrong, buying one token and maybe buying one thing off the auction house isn’t something I care much about. Because one piece of gear means nothing in the grand scheme of things and it will in no way help you achieve anything of value with raiding, pvp or dungeons. For that, you really need to know your class and commit the time week in and week out. And if you’re spending hundreds of dollars on tokens to play so you can buy more than one piece of gear, then you already lost.
But I just don’t think players should be able to spend real money on anything in this game (or any game). We pay a subscription already and if you don’t have enough time to accomplish what you want in game, then too bad. Learn to accept it, or quit. Of course, that’s asking a lot in this entitled generation.
I don’t care about boosts as long as it doesn’t happen at high levels of play, which it really doesn’t. But yea, in games like DotA, it’s frustrating to have a boosted account on your team when you’re playing top 5% of players, for example. Much like it would be annoying to be in a 2200 RBG group and have some boosted kid, but it’s pretty rare.
If they remove it, more people will go to third party websites and pay real money for boosts or gold to buy boosts in game. A handful of those sites will scam players and take their account later on. And then, Blizzard has to recover all their items and re transfer characters back to other relems, etc.
This is the whole reason the tokens started IMO on top of the fact that if people are going to do it, the money might as well benefit Blizzard too
It’s kind of like drugs. The government finally realized that people will buy no matter what. So, why the heck shouldn’t they control sales and tax it? If they don’t, they miss out on money and people still buy . If they do, same thing happens, but it’s safer for everyone and the government gets money.
More or less my argument as well. The presence of the token or buying titles doesn’t affect competition or the talent pool at all. You can buy the achievements, but that doesn’t mean you can hang with players who got it the hard way. All people are doing is buying an achievement.
i value my money more than my time especially right now
so if spending a day doing old raids on my toons and keeping up with missions and emissaries means i get a free month out of the game then im ok with it
as for what 140k can get
on some servers it can get multiple boosts
it can get your profession leveled to max which isnt really a new thing because back in MoP professions were a bit pricey (2500 GI bars iirc) so you still spent more gold
the gold inflation isnt just because of the token but also due to the way players have gained gold over the last few expansions.
I get that you are upset that you cant afford a carry without either farming or buying a token but the system works
It’s really not a matter of being able to afford carries/boosts or not, some of us simply never have and never will want them. When someone claims it’s just a case a sour grapes, it strikes me as an attempt to further normalize carry/boost culture.
It’s not impossible obviously, but I think a lot of anti-token proponents simply want as little RL financial influence in-game as possible, which includes much more fervent and harsh crackdowns on gold sellers AND buyers — we’re talking measures like giving every gold a unique identifier that makes it effortless to trace and easy to pinpoint both buyers and sellers. The whole system is designed and bottled, and Blizz can make changes as they please. There’s gotta be a way to make gold selling so impractical that nobody bothers with it.
Yeah, I mean I know half of my guild does so probably a few others do as well. I never said I had the stats on it or made some claims we should change the game over my “speculations”.
Yeah, I know it is so weird everyone in my guild just talks about stuff openly it is a really weird concept for you I am sure. Maybe one day you can join a cool guild too!
You mean like you can do in Classic right now, and what players used to be able to do with real money (and then get scammed, hacked, etc) the entire time before the WoW token came out? You either didn’t play back then during BC, Vanilla, Wrath etc, or your head was in the sand.
I’ve sold a few wow tokens to get gold for some AH mounts. If the token w a s not available, I probably would of played more to farm gold for said mounts.
I believe the token is a bad thing since its inception. I mean, I know what they were trying to do (put rmt out.of business) but we see how that worked out (gallywix).
All they did was lessen the value of their game currency. But like someone said before, in classic RMT and bots are running rampant in addition to “mage boosting” the economy is getting destroyed without the token.
We really just need blizzard to pony up amd get some real security on their game. It is quite frustrating.
The problem isn’t tokens.
The problem isn’t even multiboxing. Multiboxing on its own isn’t a big deal. It’s been around for years and only in the last year has it become a real issue, due to these activities:
Multiboxing + hyperspawns is a big problem. It inflates the economy and deflates the basic value of overworld activities for every normal player.
Multiboxing + instance farming is a problem (I honestly don’t know how big, but Bliz sure should…)
Multiboxing + multi-hit nodes is a moderate problem. This doesn’t totally ruin the economy, but it does ruin the game for people who like to make money by gathering.
Add botting into any of these situations and the problem multiplies.
no matter what. So, why the heck shouldn’t they control sales and tax it? If they don’t, they miss out on money and people still buy 
