Oh i dont fully blame the token, I dont think the token helped the issue.
It’s back down to what it was now. A lot of times on Tuesdays first thing in the morning it shoots up to it’s all time high for the week and then it’s a slow descent from there
Pretty much any patch day at skyrockets and it’s slightly goes up every Tuesday after reset
The token is just a distraction regarding the prices of things.
This is like people complaining that the price of low level ores are 10g or whatever high amount.
“No new player is able to afford that!”
But forgetting that low level players have the same ability to gather said ore and make 10g per piece.
In other words, yes, it might seem crazy that whatever rank 3 herb is 400g, or a flask is 2kg. But we all have the ability to pick up herbalism or alchemy and sell these things into the market.
it is demonstrably false. let’s walk through it together.
Sprocket’s statement that I am calling false that you have omitted the context of in your rebuttal:
Sprokets complains that Dawnweave and Duskweave are ~1700g/bolt. We’re about a month into the expansion.
Sprokets laments that they paid 30g/bolt last expansion. Timing matters, so we have to compare this to one month into DF.
I think it’s possible Sprokets is confusing Wildercloth bolts with Chronocloth and Azureweave, hence why I initially pointed it out. These are the actually appropriate comparisons to Dawnweave and Duskweave, because they are the time-gated cloth equivalents.
The price of chronocloth bolt one month into S1 DF was: 3660g (US illidan to use a high pop cluster as an example).
The price of azureweave bolt one month into S1 DF was: 2800g (US illidan)
Even today after the end of expansion supply dump, they are over 285g/524g respectively.
The idea that “at this equivalent point in DF, specialty cloth was cheaper” is simply not true, because each tailor could only produce a very small amount of this cloth.
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fair enough, but they’re not equivalent materials because of the supply issue – the price of dawn/duskweave isn’t going to drop unless it’s fixed 
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So your wording is mis-leading.
If a token price in terms of gold goes UP, it means people are valuing the token vs. the gold, so the gold value is actually going down.
It’s true we don’t technically need to know, but it does build trust and avoids these types of situations/speculations. “Security through obscurity” isn’t a great approach IMO, though it is faster to implement, and having additional levers similar to how NASDAQ or NYSE operate to address emergency situations would be fine.
I mean, those are fairly transparent, and they have to be to elicit trust. Is it overkill for something like this? That’s debatable too, but I wouldn’t be surprised if most people answered “probably” to that. I’m one of those that at least likes to know what I don’t know.
So, to answer – I’d say we’re entitled to whatever level is needed to make the system work. If nobody used it because nobody trusted it, that would frame this in a very different light. But it’s obviously enough for most.
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Since the seller can’t set the price it’s pretty obvious that there would have to be something going on on the back end to adjust supply vs demand
In a normal system the seller comes into an empty market they can set whatever price they want
Would make sense for their to be a system that raises gold price by x amount every 20 minutes while no tokens exist until it hits a point where people start paying money and then look at where it needs to go
sure! do we know they don’t have those in place? it’s entirely possible they do.
i think we agree there
would i like to know more? sure! i’m into that sort of thing. i trade options and find studying markets fascinating. it’d be neat to have a market like this where we can peek under the hood. it’s just not something i expect to happen.
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people sell runs all the time, wth are you talking about?
if none are selling the price goes down because nobody can buy them.
Junk is worthless junk…
Pretty sure he’s talking about the token.
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What does selling runs have to do with anything?
The wow token works like this:
- Someone spends $20 and lists a token on the AH
- Someone else buys that token with gold from the AH.
You need step 1 to happen before step 2 is possible.
Again, wrong. If people aren’t spending $20 to buy wow tokens, the price will incrementally go up until they do.
no duh. people sell runs for gold. gold trading is still happening and the gold farmers are still out there selling gold. they said gold trade would shut off.
IT never stopped for even a second.
The problem is, you dont actually know this.
No one does. No one can prove the tokens you buy from the AH are actually the ones that someone else bought or just one that Blizzard generated at the time of you buying it.
Thats the issue with the token market i have, there is no transparency. You cant see the market or the items on it, you are just assuming its there.
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Lol, All you Lovelight.
gold selling. Thats how a lot of them are doing it. literally the oldest trick in the goldfarmer book.
i know exactly how it works.
if nobody buys it, the price keeps going down and it becomes useless junk and then people start buying it again.
this is just people objecting to bring the price down to stop inflation.
people shouldn’t have to pay 50k gold to get a single piece of crafted gear even when they farm out most of the mats themselves.
People are speaking with their wallet, how many times do i need to say this?
Reddit and 4chan. People on there have been grouping up for the past few weeks trying to figure it out.
Maybe you should catch up with the times. People are literally striking blizzard rn because even the rich players are having a hard time dealing with the in-game inflation.
Just because YOU were unaware of what was going on, does not make you wrong or me wrong. It just means you didn’t know.
And now you do. The people are speaking. Just like all these companies are dealing with unions, now Blizzard is getting a Players Union…
Not some arbitrary market value of a pointless token that shouldn’t exist in the first place.
Edit* no, i have nothing to do with it, but its straight up /popcorn material. go searching lol, its great.
Players would never be given the ability to set their own token prices. It would tank the system. Since people buy them for real money it’d be a nightmare of chaos.
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Not really, eve online has been doing that system for years. and the plex market works fine.
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Are their players as bat crap crazy as wow players?
Remember people here burst blood vessels over just about anything.
But hey if blizz would experiment with it based on what you’d said I’d test it out at least.
We do because they explain how it works:
Q: How long should I expect to receive my gold after putting a Token up for sale? How does the game determine whose Token to sell?
A: The amount of time it takes to receive your gold after putting a Token up for sale depends on a variety of factors, including the current supply and demand. When you list a Token, you’ll be quoted an estimated time based on the current Token supply and the rate of recent transactions, but the actual amount of time it takes to sell is likely to vary (note that Tokens do not expire). In most cases, Tokens are sold in the order in which they were put up for sale; however, there are some exceptions to this, such as when a Token purchase is undergoing verification.