So you spend hours farming real money to pay for fake money and you are calling that a win?
Interesting…
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Don’t try to twist my narrative.
My point still stands.
People 10 years ago: “tEh wOw ShOp iS oNLy cOsMeTiC so iT’s NoT p2W”
People after tokens: “yOu CaN’T ‘win wow’ s0 It cAn nEvEr Be P2w”
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I’m just asking a couple questions. I’m not messing with your twisted narrative. 
That is not an advantage over people that do not pay… To get that Ilvl/dungeon rating other players that have already obtained that status are a requirement. You can not log in the day a patch drops and go check your mail and have a full set of end game gear. You need to wait until guilds/groups have cleared that content effectively enough that they are willing to sell you a spot. Same with PvP rating while I am not saying it didn’t happen the pool was probably pretty small of players that could buy a 2200+ rating day 1 of the season in DF. And again that is not ANYONE that pays… you need to find the people and they need to follow through it is not an instant transaction.
so you are basing this P2W on a person by person bases where I am basing it as a Game wide.
Those (to me are still just cosmetics and over no in game advantage.) A title does not let you kill players or mobs faster.
Tbh van you didnt have this lvl of p2w It be real hard for a guild back then to roll rags with 1 or 2 buyers one mistake and things could go sideways.
But pvp has been p2w since arena ranks and marshall/warlord titles.
Very true, if it wasnt the WoW token it was 3rd party gold sites. Boost’s have been happening forever since BC from my personal experience.
We sold raid spots back in vanilla, not many. But that was only after the content was on farm. NOT day one of a patch drop.
Dumbest argument defending this pay2win mess that I’ve ever seen. Just, wow. Here’s a thought hero, maybe let’s NOT have WoW Tokens and maybe Blizz get’s better at banning RMT platforms?
Wow! Crazy solutions, I know! Instead of Blizz doing the right thing, they decided to standardize the wrong thing and worse of all, profit from it.
Don’t for a second try to justify that wow tokens are a good thing in WoW. They aren’t.
Very true most id see was 2 spots in a rag run at a time and they had to die as soon as pull happend lol.
Yeah that’s a good point. Imagine, a business trying to make money. And they are not the only ones, oil companies, machine shops, our local cleaner they are all out to make money.
And why? Oh sure, they talk about feeding their families, putting a roof over their heads, medical, clothing, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Don’t they know they should all be working for free so we can play a video game? The very idea !!!
This still doesn’t Stop what OP is talking about… A player could play the auction house to buy a PVP boost, or Sell pvp boosts to whales that play the auction house to buy PVE boosts. Or sell PVE boosts to pvpers that sell pvp boosts to whales that play the auction house. OR OR you can farm the gold yourself during one patch… and Buy a PVP/PVE boost the next season/next patch. Gold for service is the core issue not $ for gold for service.
All you are really arguing is In-game time spent farming gold vs Out of game time spent farming $ to purchase gold. Buy gold still buys the service regardless of how you got it. And it requires other players to provide that service. That is why it’s not P2W.
You can not roll a new character on a new server and purchase raid tier gear as soon as you hit max level. You can only do it once other people have and are willing to allow you in with them.
i have lots of gold from wow tokens…
lots of alts…
and not a lot of time to play…
but when i do have time to play,
i don’t want to be under-geared…
can you tell me where the lev 400
gold-for-gear vendors are?
Here’s another crazy solution hero, you ready for it…?
…MAKE BOOSTING AGAINST TOS.
Oh wow, look at that, literally ALL of our problems are solved and, oh wait, what’s that you say? People have to ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME NOW?!
Wow, such a crazy solution and way of thinking!!
wow is and is not a lot of things,
both good and bad…
ptw ain’t one of them…
This take is new and original and there isn’t a dead horse in sight that isn’t in need of beating.
so Max level characters can’t group with lower level characters? Characters of different Ilvls can’t group together? Define Boosting? My friend who is really good at pvp can’t be on my arena team because I’m not as good?
Or just make it so players can’t trade gold? Or items on the AH have to have a set price so people can’t sell them for more gold (because they might be paying someone for a boost).
please explain how you would prevent boosting?
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Pay to gear is not pay to win.
What are these people winning?
Anyone who does this deserves what they get, they cheated themselves out of the gaming experience.