Wow, all these posts about twinks ruining BGs

You can use quite a bit to negate it especially as healers. You can even resist stack it.

Edit: it is still broken in that bracket don’t get me wrong but its not as bad.

I would try 85 or 101 cuz I hear those are really fun but I honestly hate the game right now. :sob:

Its just not fun anymore. Classes being pruned too much and the gcd changes make the general gameplay just bad imo.

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70, 80, 85 are basically an instant geared character once you visit PVE/PVP vendors.

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Are you really getting farmed that much? I’ve been in one all the way up to level 30 so far. There’s one common denominator in all you’re farmed Bgs.

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It isn’t so popular. It is you handful of people blowing up these threads making it seem that way.

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Whats a twink?

Dunno, havnt seen any

Same champ

Dont call me champ

Well why not separate all heirloom users from the new players without it also? Then lets separate whoever they decide to demonize and complain about after that, and after that lets see who is next.

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False equivalence.

For one, just about everyone has heirlooms and extremely easy access to them.

Two, the caches drop armour on par with - if not oftentimes better than - heirlooms.

Three, players with heirlooms are out of that bracket as soon as they level past it. Twinks stay in that bracket for so long as they choose.

You could think about this for a couple minutes with an impartial point of view and figure these things out. Twinks wanting to exist in casual BGs only want to do so to stomp on levellers. There’s no wool thick enough to hide it.

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No there are a lot of people leveling through BGs without them, I check for this a lot.

Again you show you just want to have your own advantages over others in pvp and are trying to make excuses to banish people you think have an advantage over you. Once we start categorizing and separating groups of players, there is no reason why we should exempt your category either or any other new category people come up with to complain about.

Just like you have to put effort into your character at 120 pvp to succeed, you have to do it at all levels, there is no need for people to be exempt from having to do this before then. Why have all this lower level loot drops remain in the game otherwise? because Blizzard wants you to play the game and earn stuff to succeed, that is part of what an mmo is about. They might as well remove all loot from lower levels and just have only heirlooms if they did that.

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I’m going to be blunt here.
Your slippery slope argument is trash.

From 3.2 to 7.0 there was a separation, and at no point did Blizzard even toy with the idea of separating further. No one was advocating to make even more separate queues.

What you’re saying might happen doesn’t match the reality of what actually happened. Pro-twink or Anti-twink, that’s a bad argument.

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“Hey, everyone! I, a twink, am not the one wanting to take advantage of people! It’s this dude over here, advocating for equalised stats in BGs and what not!”

Actually, that’s only true now BECAUSE of the fact that twinks are no longer separated from casual levellers in BG queues. Before, the environment wasn’t perfect, but you still stood a chance against these supposedly OP heirloom users you’re taking about.

And on top of that, if we’re talking spirit of fairness, would you advocate completely equalised stats in BGs?

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Lots of players have heirlooms. But if we’re vouching for the “new player” they won’t have heirlooms so now we need an heirloom bracket. Then a bracket where those who enchant/gem their gear are placed. And so on. Good luck with queue times!

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Equalised stats/Twink BGs. The former would have the same queue times they did prior to sanctioned casual BG griefing; the latter, frankly, depends on the twinks.

Own it. Twinking would lose its popularity if you didn’t have defenceless levellers to kill. Address it. Just once.

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One+ day later and you have passed through three? brackets, with nothing but negative comments to share.
Not once did you stop and think about the numerous active players that have been playing those brackets for years, maybe even a decade.
You “apparently” caught some rough patches throughout your two day journey, 50% winrate +/-.
Huge QQ on the forums.
You will be 120 in a few days with the new buff to experience, easy game.

Those same low level communities are still actively promoting and embracing those same brackets that took you a day to pass through. Playing the game, staying queued up. Having positive comments to share.

Why do you care what goes on in our world?, a world that you spent hours in.
We live here, we breathe here.

“Time played” metric and all.

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I am owning it. As a leveler with crap gear I’m not having trouble outside of my own spec being squishy. Still doing decent damage and winning. I’m not a twink at all btw but not seeing the problem yet.

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Questing.

Except I’m one of those people. So, yes, I have been. And if you’re referring to those “people” as twinks, well then what was the problem with separating their queues? They’ve been at it for years according to you, after all, so it must’ve been strong without having to include casual levellers to stomp!

Yet what I’ve stated still proves true, and what I’ve pointed out behind the purpose of twinks even wanting to be in these brackets still remains as transparent as ever.

And then I’ll want to level other characters, and have to either forego doing BGs altogether or be griefed by the system we’ve been calling out.

From non-twinks? Citation needed.

I don’t even know what this means, but I pictured a hippie meditating at the cliff of a mountain.

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that’s because its not a issue. The issue is fotm specs. this guy takes about equal stats and twinks separated but their was tons of complaints about low lvls still I remember low lvl still being gy camped with these emote spamers that these guys complain about no twinks then.

this is just off the top of my head from previous exp packs that people complained about
Survival hunters
Disc priest
Resto druids
arms warrior
Fury warrior
Shockadins I actually remember this 1 well because I tried it while leveling
Prot warrior
Bm hunter
Rogues

I could go on but I am sure you get the point no matter what you do low lvl will never be balanced there will always be fotm classes/specs that dominate

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