Would it be so bad

It would! I could run around with a felguard pounding everybody down. What’s that? Warlocks were OP with BC talents? I guess we still have a problem.

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Classic works; it’s not perfect, but it’s great as is. Also, I don’t want classes ultra balanced. I like situational builds, different group make-ups, etc. It causes us players to be creative, inventive and challenged. No please, leave Classic as is and only fix real bugs.

Classes are fine in Classic.

I’m playing a druid.

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Tuned to what point though?
Competing for top spots?
Abit better than “suck”?
Squarely in the middle?
Tune down outliers to make them suck less?

Honestly I don’t trust blizzard to tune anything in classic. Ideal balance is a thing that never has and never will exist and it’s just easier to keep the status quo.

If you change pally tier so that it can titanforge!
Imagine that, simple, fixt

LOL have you been playing wow at any point in it’s life cycle? While the classes have been relatively balanced gear has always thrown the spanner in the works massively resulting in some specs/classes massively pulling ahead of others. The closest occasion I could ever think of when specs were balanced was in firelands or maybe ToTC.

At just about every other point in this games life cycle stuffs been broken as all hell.

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Why stop at ret paladin? Maybe I want to tank as an enhancement shaman. Or maybe I want to be a melee hunter or dps as a discipline priest.

No matter which crappy spec you buff, there’s always going to be one more crappy spec that the unicorns will want to play next so they can be different than everyone, and they’ll start crying for THAT spec to get buffed too.

There are lots and lots of viable specs already in the game. Good players pick those specs and have fun playing them. Bad players pick bad specs and then spend all of their time whining about how the game isn’t fun.

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Why would they be annoyed? I remember destroying every other spec/class during early TBC as combat swords.

This is how druids got somewhere.

Wait for TBC, thats where they started to do that, then wotlk furthered it, somewhere in between is probably the sweet spot.

Why do you want classic retuned? is it for the raid tiers?
What would do you think the retail game could bring back or adapt to be more inline with classic that would make it better?

Druids, and I played one in TBC and Wrath, are a perfect example of how broken the game became. They suddenly did everything well and went from being the least-played class to one of the most played.

They eventually got much-needed nerfs which angered a lot of players who picked them because they were good at everything

Now druids in retail are just another generic class.

I wrecked content and other classes as a druid in TBC/Wrath and I do not want that to come back because it was incredibly imbalanced. I am looking forward to playing a weakened druid class that had both strengths AND weaknesses.

omg chamges, proceed directly to retail

No, thats what TBC is for.

Then they went further in Wrath.

Then they ruined the game.

I wish I played a druid when they were super op :sob:

It was great, let me tell you!

But with hindsight, I can see why it was a problem. Just like I LOVED flying in TBC, and thought daily quests were interesting.

Everything always looks better when it’s new and shiny. But what’s important is how well it holds up in the long run.

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Yes it would be.

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Honestly with how classes work in Vanilla I don’t think you could balance them in the way some people want without breaking something.

The problem with the healing classes is that baseline healing in Vanilla was the strongest it was in WoW. The expansions all took the route of “You suck at everything until you spec into one thing, then you’re good at that”.

but in Vanilla those classes are decent healers even without talents in it. On top of that, the talent trees are small enough that you can go 31 in one tree and still pick up 2/3 of another tree.

At best I think you could give those specs a token buff to make raids want to take one of them, like Shadow Priests have with Shadow Weaving.

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They don’t suck.

Every class is good in Vanilla. How you choose to use it is important. You have more abilities at your disposal than strictly those related to your spec. Hybrids are very versatile. Ret paladins and Balance druids are quite strong in PVP.

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Paladins and Druids are some of the best solo melee in the game. As you said, it’s a class and not a singular spec. No matter what spec you are, you can do all three - how well you do it depends on your spec, gear, and you. That’s the beauty of the classes, as hybrids you’re not designed to be singularly useful.

Not even all pures are equal when it comes to dealing damage which is all they can do.

yes it would be bad…