hahahhaa yeah this pretty much. sea of dps, why would i pick the dude without gear
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Show me where someone wanted 4k gear score? People can not even fill pugs when asking for 3500 lol, that was the point. Read first, retort later. Cheers!
Those ilk also did the work to get pre-raid bis, and continue doing the work to perform in raid. I want people that respect my time as I respect theirs, not sure how you can play a victim card off of that?
I ask for 4k, many pugs on Grobb wonāt take you even at 3.5k.
Why should they?
3.5 is borderline half way pre BiS and some random epics you found on the AH, Iād rather take the 4k guy with achieves and actual raid gear.
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woah. I feel like Iām having a stroke, am I agreeing with garmuck right now?
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Oh you misunderstand. Iām not saying I wouldnāt take the 4k guy over the 3.5k guy. You would be a fool not too. Iām merely saying that w/ the duration that Naxx has been out the VAST majority of pugs will take anyone ~ilvl 200. The premise of the OPās crying was that players canāt get a group unless they are 4k. That is hyperbolic nonsense pure and simple.
Weāll you gotta think that as time moves on eventually 200 iLevel will be too low because again thatās just full pre BiS, which is fine but itās not as strong as if you got raid gear on which you donāt need to do Naxx for you can just run VoA and other 10 mans to grab pieces.
The meta is that the gear score requirement will only go up over time, especially for pugs, I donāt think itās hyperbolic to assume that people will naturally raise the requirements to get in.
ICC for example is nothing less than 6.2-6.3 which is near BiS already on Warmane.
yesterday i used Group finder and joined a naxx 10 group with 3 people in greens, addon showed them under 3k gearscore yet we cleared that naxx 10 within 2hours without any wipes as it wasnāt a big deal.
tbh only a jerk would decline non-max gear people just because he wants to save a little time when weāre already wasting tons of hours in game AND THEN people talk about socializing in classic bla bla bla when theyāre gated themselves at every direction they go,
iāll leave this video here for fun!
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I agree that requirements for SOME pugs will go up over time. There will always be groups for new players though. Again, Iām merely pointing out that the OP was just making this up and looking for attention. If you point is that some day his worry will come to fruition that may be true. It is also true that regardless of ilvl or phase of the xpac a player will always be able to find a group if they put in the effort.
But what if he has the option of two players for one spot, is the player a ājerkā for bringing the better geared player?
You know that was a troll video right? He makes those videos as satire.
Dude stop with this picturing of a fresh 80 coated in quest rewards and leftover TBC epics ācryingā over being passed for Naxxā¦neither I nor the OP made any such suggestion.
Weāre discussing unreasonable expectations. LOL, victim cardā¦nice one. Calling out nonsense BS isnāt playing the victim card. You just donāt want to acknowledge my or anyoneās right to find the sweaty playstyle dumb/amusing. You want to be sweaty or set unreasonable expectations? Go ahead man, not trying to impede your chosen playstyle but you also canāt be offended when I chuckle at you.
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i know, but the video itself is still speaking of the truth, iāve seen it on LFG people asking for SWP gear for UK/Nex
Yeah I guess, I mean youāll always have those groups thatāll take new people but theyāll be far and few between.
I joined late to TBC and virtually no one was taking new players in pugs, you either had to be in that guild or know a guy to get in.
It sucks but Classic is also Retail players in that RaiderIO and Gear Score will be the limiting factor to a lot of grouping options.
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WotLK doesnāt need to changeā¦ you do.
PvP epics? A mix of level 70-80 epics? Thereās plenty of factors involved for a decline. Itās not hard to get pre-BiS in Wrath.
Yes, obviously poor timmy that was rejected is a big pumper dps that would absolutely dazzle the raid every single time. There is no measure of competency in this game and gear score is the unfortunate by product. Iām not spending my time dragging a guy through that does 1.5k dps, no matter how easy the content is, itās not my job or the job of any raid to carry anyone that cannot perform unless you would like to join a gdkp. The guy could be a swell guy, but the idea that I have to take him because āNaXx Is So EaSyā instead of him going to do some heroics to gear up is asinine. It is the players job to ensure they are adequately prepared for raid to ensure others want to bring them to raid, not the raid is prepared to open the flood gate to anyone in the LFG channel.
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By nature there will be fewer for fresh 80ās, I agree.
It has always been difficult for new players to start towards the end of content in the expansions Iāve played. Seems to pick up a month or two before the drop of the next expansion. Not sure if there is much developers can do about this. My first time through the guild I played in took a month off before coming back 3 weeks before the new xpac dropped. Was a great time to bolster and freshen up our rosters.
Iāll have to take you word for this as I have not played āretailā since WoD. I will say that gear checking has been a thing in WoW since '04.
For some reason people try to be as hardcore as possible. Who knows why because itās not like we havenāt done this before. Itās likeā¦ theyāre trying to compensate for something. Iām being serious.
Also if a guild is pugging spots that tells you they canāt keep their core team filled for some reason. Things happen from time to time but more and more Iāve seen people dropping the game or at least their guild - not showing up, disappearing and the like. Iāve seen a lot of this going on lately and itās sad this early in the expansion. The game is being drowned out by the players who think you have to be the BEST at everything. No, you donāt. This is the second time around.
A few players with lower gear score arenāt going to extend your raid by HOURS ffs. What are these comments anyway?? It may be a few minutes. Who cares?
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Tbh I figured theyād ease up at the end because everyone already has gear so theyāre just opening doors for people and I figured it would be opposite at the start, but in Wrathās case I donāt think the requirements will every rarely change unless you run into that rare group or two that will take new people.
Honestly the biggest problem imo is that the content is face roll, which in theory should mean that even 3.5 GS works which it does donāt get me wrong but itās so much faster to just finish it with higher GS thatās itās impossible even for most pugs to justify bringing people in that donāt already have experience and Naxx gear which would probably suck for new players.
I had a hard time coming in late into tbc, but pre-patch was wild with guilds recruiting trying to build their teams. The looking for guild and guild recruiting channel on benediction is always going nuts with people, thatās why I find it so confusing why people come on here saying how hard it is to find people to play with.
You never know some of these people might be playing from super dead servers too.