World of Warcraft's SOD's decline is attributed not only to the developers but also to the player base

Yes, because comparing a normal white swing, white autoattack from a warrior to a Key balance druid spell ultimate that is also a spell on a decent cooldown is… oh…so…fair…

While you are at it, why not compare Presence of Mind + Pyroblast to a warrior’s white hit too?

Look, you might be upset that you can’t just 1-2 hit people and instantly delete others with white hits with your warriors like in Vanilla or Classic 2019, I get that. And I empaDIES with you and I am sorry if for some reason you feel normal white hits from a warrior that don’t kill people in 1-2 hits would make you feel emasculated or inferior.

But maybe, (just maybe) if you started paying attention to key warrior abilities and use it in tandem at the right timing and with proper positioning, just MAYBE, you could…you know… make an impact? and actually get a kill? Like what all the other classes actually have to do?.. you know?.. to actually secure a kill? :person_shrugging:

It’s a horrible feeling to play your class like a normal non-OP class like the rest of us peasants, but you will get used to it, and you will get used to it fast, if you want to perform decently. I promise you.

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Like, I hear what you’re saying, there, it’s just that “well yeah they might suck but they’re a part of the game and do stuff” isn’t “it”.
Yeah, the guy who insults his coworkers or steals their food from the fridge (bad actor) goes to a job (plays WoW) and contributes to like… employment numbers and completion of job duties (“guise lookit mai l33t numb4rz”/progression) and the like, it’s just that they’re also disruptive and harmful (see: “bad actor”) to the other employees (the rest of the playerbase), which could result in people leaving for another job and telling other people to avoid that place because of that one person – word spreads (“WoW sucks and is toxic, let’s all go to OTHER GAME.”). Yeah, there should be a mandatory review of grievances (“Hi, this is Susan from H.R…”), with refusal resulting in a ban (fire) outright…
Yet, the system is what the system is ( :spray bottle: ), so.

I never played a GDKP where anything was hard reserved.

And if they were crappy leaders you didn’t have to raid with them anymore.

Now we play with selfish people :man_shrugging:
HR in every run- Kinda funny

What? On classic I saw “Bindings sold for 10k”… Thats kinda HR an item. Also saw a bunch of Naxx gear being pre-sold. If that’s not a version of HR, I dont know what is.

For me its the absolute opposite. I have 2 other alts (one with TF) that I enjoy raiding with because there are so many SR raids. If it was GDKPs, since I dont like them I just dont run them and I wouldn’t have alts.

botting is an international, multi million dollar business over dozens of games. botters get real toxic when you threaten their rice bowl…

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So every legendary of every raid being sold beforehand isn’t a hard Rez?

You can also not raid with the same raids that hard res?

You’re saying peoples who’s income relies on making gold, so they take cuts from the gold pool aren’t selfish?

This is the brain of a gdkper

Sod highkey the best version of WoW atm

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Oooh look at me in vastly superior because i Say that retail is for babys.

Hopefully youre rank 14 in classic

Now i dare You to get elite in retail, good luck.

Buncha donkeys whining bout spending gold in a raid you willingly participate in knowing beforehand that will be how you obtain the gear from the run. Absolute lunacy to argue that gdkp ban was a good decision. Liberal minded idiots whining about something they don’t even have to participate in. “Cancel gdkp’s bc it’s not fair and I don’t like them!” If you don’t like them, don’t run them? To pretend that the majority of gold spent in gdkp’s is bought is completely un-proven and unrealistic. Even then, gdkp is ONE of over a dozen reasons someone would want to buy gold in the first place. The game is overloaded with bot farmed gold. Everything on the AH suffers from it. Find a more compelling argument :person_facepalming:t4:

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Yeah, attributing a bidded gold value on every single bop item from raids is a sure fire way of not increasing the demand for bottled / bought gold.

IQ isn’t your strong point.

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You failed to say anything even remotely intellectual. You did in fact attempt to though… at least I think.

GDKP erodes the quality of classic, period. When a giant portion of players are spending hundreds of US dollars to get into easy raid farms and then buy any loot they want and it is all sanctioned, I should not need to explain all the elements of MMORPG gameplay (particularly classic) that are lost and how much easier this makes cheating and gold selling. Your argument that mobile games dominate the market therefore blizzard should take heed and encourage or allow pay to win behavior is franky nauseating. Mobile games dominate because of accessibility (everyone has a phone) and because they prey on human addiction patterns that are already so much a problem with the human state. You can try to say wow is just an addiction but the difference is that i dont spend all my hard earned money to play the game. I just play it. Anyone who has spent an adequate amount of time on mobile games with p2w features can tell you what a cancer they are and how far removed from them WoW should try to be.

SoD didn’t “die” down for any reason other than its seasonal and WoW is largely a game about permanence or at least years and years of gameplay possibility. Sure maybe you get to keep your character in some form but the lack of transparency on how is the exact real problem with it and its development process. They just winged it with no clear communication on where the characters would go. Please stop listening to Asmongold’s worst takes ever (those about GDKP) and try to think critically for yourself for once.

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So many different versions of WoW and the big pool of players are now all diluted all over the show

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Wild growth alliance feels like a polar opposite. Also anyone buying gold in SOD is an idiot. If youre going broke buying cinsumables pick up alchemy.

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The Horde PvP queue time is caused by shamans. Ask alliance players, there’s no fun in joining a BG and fighting shamans that feel like they’re level cap in the next expansion, causing most Alliance players to avoid PvP entirely.

There are the racial imbalances, but fighting shamans is not fun and is not rewarding.

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The single largest reason for the failure of SOD and the downfall of anniversary realms.

Toxic player bans - Agree
GDKP ban - Agree
Bot bans - Agree
PVP Issues - Agree
Lack of Content - Agree

SoM had gdkps. Not doing aswell as sod?

Completely different games ? use your brain.

Sod’s population phase 1 between 450-500k players (when gdkp was allowed) sods current population 45-50k … “doing well”

Hi! Welcome back to the forums. I can hook you up with a good therapist because you have this unhealthy obsession with not taking blizzards NO DKP stance and just let it die. You lost, dkp has been gone for almost a year! Yay

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Stopped reading after the first sentence. Defending the toxic, cringelord manchild WoW community is one of the many reasons why this game belongs in a garbage bin.

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