Your leveling qualms actually aren’t really founded in reality, because the leveling sequence is just a litmus test of whether you like the class or not, it’s not meant to actually teach you anything because pre-max level gameplay is 100% different from endgame to the point that you might as well just be able to start at max level so you can start actually learning your class.
It shouldn’t be this way, but there’s such a gulf between endgame and leveling that the two honestly aren’t even the same game.
Chromie should be a guide for new players and literally every time they encounter something new with the system or mechanics, she should pop up and explain what’s actually going on.
It’s like clippy but Chromie!
Or even put in a training hall for new players to put them through the various mechanics and inner workings of the game
Should also add in a way to see genuinely new players so people that care could go out of their way to help them.
Well, OP. You say you’ve been playing for 20+ years. You’re probably an average type of gamer. Now just imagine if you had never played a videogame before.
I’ve been told it’s insulting to say that there’s a learning curve that keeps new players from being able to jump into mythic raiding the day after mastering moving their first character across the screen.
It doesn’t, and it appears most veteran players want to keep it that way.
Yeah, I did the same as a new player back in BC. A true noob, I had no idea what was going on in this game.
Yeop, used to be the same for us veteran players. But get this - we had to do it all with no mounts until level 40. For me, this was back in BC and max level was 70. No mounts. Let it sink in.
Or a month or two. Yeop.
Again, to some of us newb players back in the day, questing was solo content. And even then, grouping for some quests was necessary for nubs.
Something similar happened to me back in Wrath. I solo’d my way along and never joined a dungeon group with others until I was max level. In my first group, I was asked to put out a summoning stone and soulwell and had absolutely no idea what they were talking about, even with them using the correct terminology. One person asked me if I had bought my character, and I didn’t understand what that meant either.
Yeah. The game has levels of intricacy that are just insane. I’ve played wow since 2004. Telling someone how to play has gone from “don’t let your dots expire and blast” to “watch this buff and keep it at 3 stacks, but if you’re about to be full resources, use this macro to cancel the aura because this buff is unique in that it doesn’t refresh, so using spenders while its about to fall off is a waste and a loss of dps. But while that’s going on, make sure you use two generators to get into the right eclipse state, it’s real easy - use the aoe generator to trigger single target and the single target to trigger aoe. Don’t over cap this resource, but also every 800 that you spend triggers your only Minor CD, and losing track of that is a good way to do tank damage, so you need to make sure that coincides with the cooldown of this other 45s ability. Speaking of CDs, beg your tank to pull around one of the last 3 minute CDs in the game.”
No they aren’t. None of these posts ever do because all they do is post headlines of popular troll topics on these forums.
Then go back in time to before WoW existed. Sorry to tell you but this has been part of the entire time WoW’s existed. The only difference is that websites back in 2004 were so poorly structured, and we had no idea what it was we were actually asking/searching for since things like quests were so obtuse with information that it was usually faster to travel to a city and ask in trade chat. Or you asked in general chat. Or just randomly started messaging people until you got an answer.
Now’a’days social media is so prevalent that games have issues with folks looking up too much information online. It ain’t the other way around, because if folks truly hated it that much it wouldn’t have become the norm it is. With most of these changes happening around 2008-2010.
WoW isn’t ARK Survival… not to mention they didn’t come out at the same time, if you are comparing “New player upon release”-versions of the game. You wanna compare WoW and ARK now? Sure, then do so. Compare WoW how it is today with tutorials and plenty of both in-game guides through quest boards, Chromie, and lots of information that guides you in the right direction. And ARK is a game that has come far since the days of the alpha and beta of the game. Still a relatively unfair comparison since ARK is a survival exploration game about dinosaurs and WoW is… well, not that.
Don’t pretend that you speak for others. Just because you are a toxic and hostile anti-“new player”-player (to paraphrase what you genuinely said yourself!) doesn’t mean everyone else is. The norm is the exact opposite of what you have been talking about, or the nonsense by OP.
I remember distinctly back in wrath when I leveled my first alt, a priest… and I was ecstatic that it only took me about 5 1/2 days /played (around 130 hours total)
There are so many factual inaccuracies in that post it isn’t even worth the time it would take to address them. But you most certainly did not have 25-30 buttons on your bar within 3 hours of starting leveling. If you BOOSTED a character, then yes. But I would NEVER recommend a boost for a fresh player. They should only be used by people who understand the game.
The Stormwind portal room a mine field?? Really?? It’s probably the most succinctly organized space in the game. Questing absolutely does not require any add-ons. If you bother to look at your journal it tells you exactly what expansion and zone you are working on. And why are you just walking through random portals??
You honestly sound like someone who went out of their way to make things chaotic for yourself for the sole purpose of complaining about it later.
you see the issue is how the game has been reworked where you do not quest in chronological order story wise and basically forces you to the newest expansion and doesnt allow you to learn as you play leaving new players not knowing the lore not knowing the class causing new players to feel unwelcomed. but hey every time i mention this and give ways to help new players they shut me down and say oh theres chromie time which absolutely is not the solution and forces you out of the storyline you do for it. im sorry you had a bad experience alot of the issues is the devs push for endgame or leave wow approach and the push to endgame ruining all attempts to learn about this world.
TP and closet as in Town portal and ritual of summoning. OP is a warlock… They do have that spell. TBF I usually call the closet: the extortionist from hell, but oh well, if ya wanna call it a closet…
As someone who just started playing a couple months before dragon flight came out I feel your pain. But also I think this is a little bit of a skill issue.
I too felt the overwhelming button bloat AT FIRST, but after playing for a couple months you get the hang of which buttons are MUST PRESS buttons and which are SITUATIONAL. This is a big thing to learn because it’s the single most important thing to negate that overwhelmed feeling.
The other thing is the leveling speed. I never felt it was too short. Because I understood that just getting to max level is the first step. There is no way a fresh level 70 should be jumping into raiding or M+ if you just started playing the game a week ago and recognizing that will help you avoid frustration. You need to gear, you need to learn your end game rotation in LFR and Heroics. So while I get what you’re saying about leveling speed remember that your level is only one part of leveling.
As far as solo end game. I too and a MOSTLY solo player. I prefer only to group for things I absolutely have to like raids or dungeons. I COULDN’T DISAGREE MORE about your take here. I have TONS to do as a solo player. World quests, weeklies, dailies, rares and crafting. All of those things will help you in end game or at least help you towards end game.
I hope you stick with it because it’s really a great MMO and I kick myself for not giving ita try sooner. Good luck bro.
