I actually completely agree with this part. My time in arpgs has made me dislike this game’s gearing more and more. By the time I actually have decent gear to push some keys, I’m already burned out and ready to play something else. I’m also way behind in score, and left with bad players only that are basically at their skill wall, while the other good players have been absolutely no lifing and are well past where I’m at days ago
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The day I decided that my end goal is no longer “get BiS in everything” was the day that WoW became so much more fun.
I could log in, do what I felt like, make a different goal and just do things for the heck of it. I’m a Delver so it mostly involves delves at the moment, but I feel no immense pressure or need to do EVERY DAILY/WEEKLY on EVERY toon which at this point is about 6 level 80s. I’m not trapped in a cycle of get the next item because I just don’t care as much.
Sure I work to GET items, but if I miss one or two, or five a week. Who cares? I’m not running M+ and I don’t raid anymore so It’s all at my own pace. If I get bored, time to play other game or maybe level a class I’ve never played in a zone I haven’t been to in like… 10 years. Hell, I revisited WoD. The zones are still neat!
I don’t use any combat add-ons, I disable the mini-map, I shut out the world, actually read the side quest text (Most of it’s silly but some of it’s actually quite good) and explore the world. It’s… crazy how much of a different game it is.
That all said, still takes a lot of time for all that haha
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Yeah it’s chorecraft for the sake of chores to keep you busy.
Grind that valor
Grind those cresets
Grind that reknown
Grind those knowledge points
Grind that M+/Raid for upgrades, or Delves
Grind those elite world quests for items
Grind for gold, enchants, gems, etc…
And well grind, grind, and grind some more reputations. Undermine is a bit cathartic when you realize you’re just jumping through hoops for rng, and well WoW has been this way the entire time.
It’s 100% designed to keep you logging in and waste your time with things to do. Mmo’s are notorious for this and are massive time sinks.
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Any game can take over your life, if you allow it. Mind you, it’s easy to let that happen when you try to “keep up” with your group. If your group isn’t doing many of these things with you, then perhaps it is the wrong group.
I have stepped away from most raiding because it limited the time to put into my alts and I really enjoy doing lots of things. You have to set boundaries for yourself and if the things you “feel forced” to do are overshadowing the things “you want” to do, then a change is a good idea.
It’s also good to make sure everything is squared away in your RL too! Hope you find what you are looking for.
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Exactly! If all you want to do is grind out Mists of Pandaria all day and night and treat it like it’s the current expansion for you and ignore TWW, then do it! You’re allowed to!
If you just want to fish all day and do pet battles then you do you!
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1 hour a day during week, 2+ in the weekend can get you 3x10 vault wihtout burning away your life…
It’s a problem when the words ‘have to’ pop up. You don’t have to. You want to, seemingly due to expectations that you are placing on yourself. It doesn’t seem others are placing these expectations on you.
If they are, well, maybe you should look for a new group of folks to play with, because unless you’re pushing for World Firsts, which you’re not, there’s absolutely no reason to pressure yourself so hard.
Season is months long. Weekly chores take around half a day, with a week to do them. You will gear up naturally through the vault and the upgrade system. You have absolutely no obligation to slam your face against content you don’t want to do.
Sure, drops will speed up the process, but through the passage of time alone you’ll get what you need. Just don’t treat it like a job, and have fun doing your thing! Set your goals for the season, and you’ll have plenty of time to achieve them.
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After some contemplation I think this is somehow I also feel about WoW also.
While my IRL friends often struggle to find something to play, I just choose something new in WoW to pursue.
My goals irl of study and job progression go far, but I enjoy the ‘keep at it’ feeling of WoW knowing I’ll get results if I collect crests and gear.
It’s nice to have something with surity as compared to say a business goal…. Which might be a waste of $30000-$60000 or a study goal which I might fail if I don’t put in enough time. WoW to me feels like a perfect ‘side’ game to an otherwise very busy life.
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The only things I don’t mind being RNG gatekept are M+ gearing and raid gearing.
- M+ will die without the infinite gearing aspect.
- Raiding is weekly, hence there’s no rush-rush to finish it all.
Delves are the new issue with spamming gear. It’s RNG on what you’ll get from the bountiful coffers, RNG when you’ll get the map, and another RNG on the vault. Once again Blizz added something fantastic with plenty of “You’ll farm this for player metrics” behind it.
Oh you don’t have to farm it? Alrighty good luck falling behind.
(I wouldn’t mind the vault disappearing or being re-formed to an actual guarantee.)
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What would we replace the vault with? Personally I would like to be able to target a slot in my inventory, or at the very least, lock out a slot in my inventory.
And even if not that, I would much prefer if the items that came from the vault that I didn’t need were Warbound. Limited yes by my current class’s armor type but still better than nothin’.
The vault only really feels bad when we have 9 options… and still get nothing.
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Can I have your silver?
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You really don’t need to spam out keys to fill all of your gear slots just to run Heroic, generally speaking. Unless your goal is to clear it out in the first week or two, I guess?
I agree with the delve map. It’s kinda silly the map drop is entirely RNG. Underpin stopping by to say ‘get out’ seems to be a 100% drop rate but that in and of itself is RNG, unless you want to burn 2k Delve Bux or, again, get lucky.
I honestly don’t see why you can’t just get a Giga Chest that’s the Hero drop on your first Bountiful T8+. We can probably do without the map system entirely if it’s only going to be once a week now.
Bountifuls I’m mixed on, since I feel you get enough keys to make that not be a huge problem, and T8s really aren’t that bad once you’re decked in Vet gear. Although you can very well get 9 trinkets out of 9 bountifuls and that just feels like a whole lot of time burned.
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What if instead of keys, Finnly sold maps. And Maps that target a slot. So if I wanted a new pair of shoes, I could buy a Bountiful Map from him for say… 1000 coins. If I wanted a Weapon, 3000 coins. You would need to get the keys yourself, and there would be less keys sure, BUT, you would know you were getting a specific slot so it would mean you use less of them.
You could still get normal Bountiful Maps from drops or normal delves alongside this
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That’s fair. My beef with bountiful is the amount of time you spend in Delves. They’re only 10-20 minutes each but that timeframe starts to feel grueling when there’s no challenge. Especially when you’re doing it on 2+ characters.
I wouldn’t mind popping once per character and being done for the week (As far as Delves are concerned). Going in 8 times just for better chances at Hero vault feels wrong. There’s already 8 runs of M+ on top of it.
Gear as fast as you want is definitely a nicety but does it have a place in an MMO? We’re on week 4 (Don’t quote me on that), and my characters are all champion now. Seems nuts that we can do that.
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It only burns away your life if you allow it to.
Don’t blame the game because you are not able to control yourself and remember it is a game not a career.
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Maybeee? I understand why the gearing system is as it is, you don’t want players getting BiS main statlines week one in a patch. Players have to stick around after all.
I think that could work, though? I imagine the maps would have to be properly expensive, though, like 5k coins or something. I think it’d be interesting to mess with if nothing else!
I think so. The way it works out now, you can grind out your Champ gear purely in Delves and getting champed out in a month isn’t a huge ask. Then you can take that gear and experience whatever content you want, or, if you are content stick with Delves and tackle the challenges in there, stick with running T11s and such.
There’s still plenty of character progression beyond that point, if someone wants to push for it. If they don’t, then i think that’s fine.
I remember in Vanilla where the biggest hurdle to getting involved in raiding was gear. You needed specific gear for resists and needed a bazillion consumables and such, some specific to just one fight even. If you didn’t have that gear, you probably weren’t getting a spot.
I think not having that be as much as a hurdle just to get started is a healthy thing for the game as a whole. It’s kinda toeing the line for overdoing it, but as it stands now I think it’s in a pretty good spot, progression wise.
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I would be 100% ok with Blizzard moving towards more static content.
I’m even be ok with less keys. If anything I firmly believe we should only get 2 keys a week max, if not 1. The shards should disappear. Now Delves are an explorer/adventurer grind with solid bumps once/twice a week. Not four/(as many memories as you can tolerate).
It’s like a gear fiesta out here with two veterans, four champions, and one hero with a hero vault. Overkill really.
It’s not even the gear rate that’s the problem, it’s the time. 10 minutes minimum in a Delve means an hour and 20 minutes per character. Add in the other 30-40 minutes and you’ve got two hours per character. Two hours of doing mundane repetitive task.
Would it really be so bad to only get one key and spend 30 minutes on gear weeklies then play the game otherwise? Presuming Delve maps are changed. The RNG aspect still requires 1-5 (Maybe more) bountiful Delves.
im in a mythic raid we raid 4 hours a week, we are also required to have two slots of m+ mythic gear. so 8 hours total in game roughly. i of course do more than that but i have never let the game get in the way of life or anything. i have a gf and own a business. i still take vacations and as long as i tell them ahead of time my guild is cool with it.
Life is also a game that burns away your life.
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