Literal “no changes” is impossible and trying to make it happen is damaging… I’m not the one lacking a grip
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No, it isn’t.
It’s nowhere near impossible to have limited mail to one item, used the old client, used the old water textures, prevented trading of raid loot after being distributed, and kept spell batching windows accurate to vanilla.
You have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
Even the most lenient definitions of no changes would still not include this world buff NPC, so I’m not sure how existing changes is meant to be an argument.
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A buff npc is literally in the same category of every single “change” that is in the game. And no, they could not use the old client unless you are OK with rampant account hacking and theft…
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So, then you go out of your way to make sure you don’t use those changes. That’s why I phrased them all like that. It wasn’t about convincing you to want more changes. It was to point out the hypocrisy of the ‘nochange community’. You claim to not want any changes. But when people like me point out all the changes that are in. It’s all “well um, uh, um, uuuuuuh. That’s different!”.
You think you do, but you don’t. Wasn’t directed at the Vanilla community. It was directed at group like you. Because in the end. You’re still p(l)aying. Despite your adamant “nochange” belief.
How is it hypocritical of those who don’t want changes when they’re implemented anyways without their approval?
This may be news to you, but those who asked for no changes didn’t make the changes. Blizzard did.
Please adjust your logic to at least a primate level of intelligence.
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good god stop
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if were making changes make sure you add lfr, random dungeon finder, hierlooms, and transmog to classic too
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well lets see
correct
oh so all the changes i programmed in myself?
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Clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about. The old client doesn’t result in rampant hacking and theft.
Hell, that’s entirely prevented by the authenticator, which existed back in 2006.
For what it’s worth…
I use add-ons that handle my mailing, so 12 at a time or individually makes no functional difference. I pay the postage fee regardless, but I’d prefer 1 at a time to limit using mailboxes as banks.
I don’t have the new water textures, actually, because I think they look terrible.
In my guild/raid, loot is predetermined and distributed by a master looter directly to the person intended to receive it.
I’m not sure what you mean by setting up a weakaura to tell me when I can perform an action, because I am already more limited by the GCD than I am the 400 ms batching windows. That is entirely server-side and has nothing to do with my own personal input, so I think you were just spouting off some random change without actually understanding it.
As for the client, the only option, as you say, is to not play. Sure, that might work if I didn’t want to play Classic. You understand I can not want something, or not enjoy something about a game and still play it, yeah? If I don’t like the buff limit, I can still play the game and enjoy it, yes?
Just because I utilize any of these changes does not mean I am in FAVOR of them.
There is no hypocrisy. You have absolutely zero idea what that word means, or you are wrongfully interpreting the intent behind using that phrase.
“No changes” is an expression of desire. No one says “you shouldn’t use any of the changes Blizzard made,” they say “Blizzard shouldn’t be making changes.”
And I like how you say “it’s all 'well um, uh, um, uuuuuh. That’s different!” yet I explicitly stated that I was outright against all of those things, and they aren’t different at all.
So what the hell are you even talking about?
Holy hell, you have no idea what you’re talking about, at all.
That comment was made in response to someone asking for vanilla servers. His response was that we think we want that but we don’t because there’s all these changes we actually like that we’d miss.
Yet here I am saying I DON’T WANT THOSE CHANGES, and your argument is that I don’t want vanilla as it was because I’m still playing anyway? That’s such an absurd argument.
You MUST be trolling.
EXACTLY. Jesus Christ.
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Just trying to save people time on getting the buffs that people enjoy when raiding. In fact, this may even keep players logged in the game more if they know they can get these buffs for a cost with a cooldown when they choose to. Majority of people who raid end up raid logging due to the buffing meta in Classic.
I guess I don’t see the huge issue with making this change now. We have gone through 1.5 years of this buffing, all content has been cleared by now, including Naxx by most semi-serious to serious raiding guilds.
What does having the option to buff before a raid really do to you individually? Nobody is forcing the buff on you if you don’t want it. If you’re in a guild that doesn’t buff, they don’t need to use it.
The few of you so adamant against this just seems odd to me.
Text wall incoming 
You still play.
If you truly don’t like how a service or product has been done. You wouldn’t pay for it. But, yet, you pay to play this changed version of Vanilla.
Basically, a weak aura to tell you when you would be able to do an action if this were still 2004’s client.
Was used as a point of sarcasm. But it still holds up. Most players don’t want Vanilla as it was. I suspect most of the ‘nochange community’ also don’t want true Vanilla; especially if you play on a Mac (there’s an issue on newer iOS where boats and zepplins fail to load before you so you end up dead…a lot).
Another example would be the API from that era allowed addons to ‘figure out’ which ranks of healing spells to use to maximize mana efficiency. You could literally press a single button to cast ALL of your heals based on conditions, if you tweaked it right.
Then there’s the mentioned hacking. And I think there was even some cases of item duplication (but that could just be bad programming on the private server host’s part)…though we got a psuedo-version of with the Layering exploit.
I suppose I could just sum it up as:
You accepted the changes that happened.
Saying “nochange” should mean if there are changes, then you won’t stick around. Because the result is an experience you don’t want.
And yes, I take a very black and white view point when people say “no” to something. “No cheese” doesn’t mean “a little cheese” it means “put cheese on it, and I’m not eating it”. “No change” doesn’t mean “a little change” it means “I’m not playing if there’s changes”.
((And remember, it’s not like they actually needed these changes to make the game work on modern systems. This isn’t like some DOS or Windows 95 game, that won’t run anymore, that you just absolutely love and so if you want to play it you had to accept some ‘updates’.))
And yes, it is a bit trollish. Because every single time people have posted about some QoL change (like being able to get instant mail on alts), or getting rid of spell batching because it’s royally borked when paired with high-speed Internet, or reinstituting Layering (with the fixes to prevent exploiting) to give a more ‘Vanilla feel’ to the player population and spawns. There’s always been someone spouting “nochange”. Which would be hold weight…if they hadn’t already accepted the changes made; paying is accepting. Whether you want to believe it is or not.
Since we can reset the Ony buff NPC by killing them. There’s no reason not to just give us the option to get the buff; oh no, we no longer have to wait the 8-ish minutes for them to respawn.
So I have to abandon something completely if I’m not 100% approving of it all the time?
Whelp I guess I better call up a divorce lawyer.
But seriously, that’s just asinine. Just because there’s an aspect of a game you don’t like doesn’t mean you don’t play it. By the same logic I could call anyone a hypocrite who plays Classic despite the changes they want not being implemented. Basically anyone who plays Classic is a hypocrite.
It’s just silly. Please stop.
You want all the power without the effort. My muscles are sad to hear such a thing. You should just be ignoring the world buffs or your muscles will sag. Gotta be strong without em!
Do you even lift bro?
Seriously, though, besides the trolling, if the NPC worked like the below, what is the issue?
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NPC would only buff the player paying, not the whole town/city
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Would cost a set amount of gold
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Would trigger a cooldown so it could not be abused
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NPC would be hard to kill or have a quick respawn timer
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Only works on level 60 players so you can’t buff your way to level 60
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Quest turn-ins that trigger buffs today would remain unchanged
Actually, a phrase means what an individual intends to express and not what you define it as. Your inference is not the same as our implication.
We’ve made it clear your inference is incorrect. Please adjust and move on.
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Id rather they delete buffs entirely than do that.
I like it.
Someone make this man a dev.
Do you even lift bro?
Seriously, though, besides the trolling, if the NPC worked like the below, what is the issue?
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NPC would only buff the player paying, not the whole town/city
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Would cost a set amount of gold
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Would trigger a cooldown so it could not be abused
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NPC would be hard to kill or have a quick respawn timer
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Only works on level 60 players so you can’t buff your way to level 60
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Quest turn-ins that trigger buffs today would remain unchanged
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Make the cooldown only expire while in-game, like the DMF buff
Have you not been raiding Naxx? Lol
Yep. I find people, in general, to be hypocrites. Myself included.
As I mentioned in the later sections. I wouldn’t be as…aggressive(??) on the subject had the ‘nochange community’ not spent the better part of a year harping on about how any improvements were antithesis to what was being attempted with Classic; “warts and all”, if you recall.
This included upping respawn rates, changing it so Eagle Eye/Farsight wouldn’t show resource nodes, removing the Alliance “backdoor”, and others of that nature. All were met with dumb comments (on par with mine) about how we couldn’t have those because this was a museum. Changes that a brick and mortar museum would make to allow the viewing of the exhibit to be more aesthetically pleasing; a fancy display case, orderly lines, the piece cleaned up.
It’s been “play [exactly] our way or go back to Retail”.