Legions grind was no worse than bfas or shadowlands. And legions grind became incredibly easy half way through the xpac maybe you quit before than or something idk.
Except it was way, way worse when it came to Artifact power … so … yeah …
you guys always say this, and yet never offer any proof whatsoever that the sentiment echoed here doesn’t accurately reflect the playerbase at large. you look at the forums and say “only unhappy people post, happy people are too busy playing.” you look at the metacritic score and say “those things always get brigaded by unhappy people.” you’re just disregarding any indicators that go against your bias. so where are you seeing that most players are enjoying this expansion? show us.
There were a lot of players in Legion and BfA who were world quest heroes. A lot of them have stayed in old content, knowing that Shadowlands is an expansion intended to force them into raiding and pushing keys by removal of meaningful casual content.
I didn’t buy it either. I think a lot of low information players bought and have become discouraged.
LoL - who is the ‘annoying salesman’ guy - give more details lol.
As for streamers - in my personal opinion, it appears they were lent the King’s ear - but they in no way represent me at all. I don’t get paid to play WoW 24/7 or anything remotely close to that. They didn’t like Titanforging or Warforging - it was gone - they didn’t like corruption - it was removed - they wanted less loot, now there’s less loot. They got everything they wanted and if you listen to these same streamers, everything is great. It’s all butterflies, sunny skies and puppies.
Yes at first but like I said artifact grind got incredibly easy half way through the xpac, legion was incredibly alt friendly after blizzard added a bunch of catch ups. Can’t say the same for BFA and I highly doubt shadowlands will be any different, and btw you’re tied to one spec in SL aswell unless you wanna do %20 less dps then people the same spec as you because you chose a crappy covenant for your spec.
Tin foil hat conspiracist here. My feeling that if the devs want to remove something that is actually popular with the playerbase, they go way overboard with it until everyone recognizes there are issues. Showering people with loot in BfA as an excuse to remove most loot from the game has resulted in a number of changes that elitists and blizzard accountants think are good for the game.
Titanforging and level scaling are two other subjects whose history fits this mold.
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All hail preLegion expansions simplicity.
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Bring back wod pvp gear.
Just so you know gear can from them. The 197 Banewood ring I have equipped dropped from mine yesterday.
I feel there is a way to find the right balance here to engage a broad spectrum of players. I know there is because they have done it successfully before.
Blizzard listens most of the time, but the changes often aren’t enough, or are too much, or don’t come soon enough. Sometimes they just keep trying to ride out and repackage the same crappy systems that players have railed on for years instead of trying something new. I really don’t want Covenants to end up being resented like Garrisons.
If you think this expansion is good, you’re literally wrong. COVID saved this expansion because people literally had nothing else to do. As we move closer to being back to normal, player count is going to absolutely plummet (and for good reason).
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Along with MoP classes.
I have played for a long time and am a filthy casual. I think I would prefer gear drop increases in all dungeon levels, and WQ gear Ilevel to be tied directly to the characters ilevel, and not to renown level.
I clearly don’t need high end gear, but I would like to progress my gear level without having to pvp, run endless mythic +, or raid.
The old play is up for wow more people are playing at this time then they have in years.
Yeah because they are all laid off and can’t go anywhere.
SL is the best because it is the highest selling xpansion .
Yeah and before that BfA was and Why did SL sale more .
Well he they can’t do worse then BfA and since we’re stuck at home may as well go online and order it.
So we take a bird’s eye view of WoD and it was something of a fiscal disaster - I mean that’s not a controversial statement. So Legion comes along and they showered us with legendaries - here you get a legendary - so do you! Everrrrbody gets a legendary - they had artifact weapons, which I enjoyed - the lore was interesting and powering it up was engaging. My point is they went big on that expansion to sort of save things.
BFA was mixed I guess, I mean I didn’t hate BFA - but given how people felt about certain elements I would have thought they would have done a legion’esque sort of response here - everrrrbody gets this or that. But surprisingly, they chose the austerity route - I don’t think it was the smartest way to go.
All the op’s points are saying how good blizzard are because they attempted to fix messes they created in the first place. Circular logic.
Could not have said it better!
AND with hidden stages, so you see that quest “oh that one looks quick” only for it to have like 5 different stages, each one taking longer than the previous.
Not to mention the world quests that require you to get like 10 items, but after pulling like a pack of 20 mobs you get 1 of the item and have to wait for things to respawn again.
Or the multiple 100% quests that give you 1% per mob.