Critical thinking is becoming increasingly rare - especially with the proliferation of AI like ChatGPT and instant gratification in life.
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Medivh told them to. That’s it.
Ok.
Now what does that have to do with a lack of horde leadership participating in the final battle on Argus, despite those restrictions not effecting alliance leadership being there?
Alleria is the high elf, Illidan the night elf, Magni the dwarf.
But the main thing is that the Legion was said to be threatening the world in that moment, putting everyone’s lives in jeopardy. Velen could still have his content to flesh out the draenei, but the actual fighting should’ve been more cosmopolitan.
So they did know about these threats prior to Legion? The Horde who fought over the Sunwell just never heard about the big demon coming out of it? The Horde never pushed back the invasion in BC?
You are quite literally trying to push the Horde out of the story then say they aren’t part of it.
But none of them were representing the Alliance.
But the story wasn’t about the random skirmishes on Azeroth. It was about Velen finally confronting Kil’Jaeden and Illidan confronting Sargeras.
Nothing about the Alliance. It boggles the mind you keep dragging the faction into this.
No.
How they pushed the demon back through it and cleansed the Sunwell?
You’re trying to create things out of thin air that the Horde didn’t even do.
Guess the Horde never fought in the Battle of Mount Hyjal
wait until you find out how the lore is invented
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There are 2 things in Legion that I disliked:
1 - Artifact weapons - Those are great, literally still top tier weapon models to this day (also that Druids finally got something else), but I didn’t like being a “canon-approved special snowflake Ashbringer wielder”. Plus, lore aside, Artifact weapons were the first flirt with major borrowed power systems that lasts for a limited amount of time.
2 - Class halls - Absolutely amazing lore drops and defintely a thing that should be anevergreen story staple, yet we rarely see them being used after Legion.
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All of them except Illidan are alliance. They’re the characters you’re meant to want to be around, doing this content with you (either in person, or as talking heads for world quests, etc.). It’s game story shorthand for representing the ideals, places, and people they’re written to want to associate with.
Something doesn’t have to be anti-horde for a story to feature alliance. What I meant earlier is that we should’ve seen more alliance AND horde fighting the legion, especially on Argus. Velen could still have the lion’s share of focus because the draenei did need it, but to lack the horde altogether made it look like an entire faction didn’t really care if the world was going to end.
This kinda plays into TWW and why I feel the trilogy idea has already failed for me. Why am I supposed to care about Xal’atath?
“Because she blew up-”
But I don’t care about Dalaran.
“Because the Earthen are-”
I’m not interested in where the dwarves came from.
“Because Alleria needs to-”
I don’t care about Alleria.
“But also Anduin’s there and-”
I don’t want to be around Anduin.
Why am I here? And before anyone says “She’s a threat to the world”, from all appearances in the 10.0 patch, it wouldn’t matter if she won or not because I had no reason to believe any of the races I was invested in would be written about anyway.
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Why, exactly? A majority of the Alliance also sat out during Argus, and the Draenei with us on Argus were fighting for themselves, for what the Legion did to them on Argus.
Horde and Alliance being on Argus has no point because Argus wasn’t about either faction.
Alliance players didn’t walk around on Argus thinking it was ‘An Alliance’ story because it wasn’t. At all.
You know both Alliance and Horde players have that same sentiment, right? I don’t want to be around Khaz Algar either.
Story showing history of one of their main races
“Man, sure glad this has nothing to do with the alliance around here”
Anduin, Alleria, Magni and his family are still historical allies to your chosen playable race (or at least the one you’re posting under). At the very least, if you lack interest in Xal’atath herself, you have that minor hook of “supporting your allies and exploring the racial history of one of them”, though admittedly that’s going to depend on your attachment to them as faction allies. I didn’t even see that going into TWW until Undermine, and then I’ll be going back to being utterly irrelevant again.
I mean, it doesn’t. All of it happened before the Alliance was even concieved, so…
That has no bearing on the story what-so-ever.
Except that’s not even true. The Earthen of Khaz Algar have their own history separate from the Dwarves.
Technically, if you’re going to be that way, the Earthen are also a Horde faction too, so it also includes you.
No, the earthen are a neutral race now, but the entirety of the dwarves’ racial history from the start of WoW has been about trying to learn more of their origins, and we’ve known about titanforged and earthen as far back as WotLK, maybe earlier (I can’t remember the details). But previously that was all dwarven story, so if you weren’t into them, either as a race or as their allies, the content wasn’t for you.
It’s clear we’re never going to see eye-to-eye for defining what story content is meant to cater to, so I’m calling it here. But it does feel like, if I were to adopt your position that the only story that matters is direct 1:1 relations, absolutely nothing in the game would be worth getting excited over because it’s all too niche to matter.
The hype around Legion really boiled down to how long the Burning Legion themselves were built up to. Story is a majorly underrated driver even in the dullest of content. Regardless of what the state of the game is, when the Void finally invades and we get the Hour of Twilight expansion we all deserve (potentially Midnight), I think we may see some major hype really return.
Again this isn’t directly about Alliance and Horde, this is about the races the factions represent. Guess Argus and the Legion invading Draenor before the Horde was ever formed is just another double standard.
10 man mythic isnt going to fix the problem. you have a better chance if they flex it like the others
I’m actually using Chromie and locked into Legion right now leveling a character. The questlines, actually feel like they are important to the story, and I am just not spam clicking on or, or accept. I wish I could stay in Chromie until I hit 80.
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No. Next question, Ben.