Did I say every elf? I said most hence why the Convocation of Silvermoon was so quick to renege and provide a paltry force when Lothar asked for it. I am saying that during the Troll wars these elves would have been even more haughty than in the Second War and that they would of known of unions between elves and Arathi humans. This wouldn’t happen in a vacuum. The elves would also remember that some of them took to bed humans and produced half elves. By the looks of it thousands over a long period of time.
It may not mean much to your or something that isn’t lore breaking, but would you imagine that their peak waging war against the Amani alongside the humans that there would so many half elves being produced during this time? If they weren’t produced then, when? I meant it’s weird and lorebreaking, because we would of heard of it. That elves are coupling with humans in enough numbers to make a difference to both populations. Am I the only one who finds this weird? I get that in the end, roleplayers dominate on here and care for the lore, but don’t we all agree that the elves at this time would have been xenophobic and arrogant AF. That they’d view such unions at best indifference and at worst with disdain? Maybe not. Idk, I just find this out of left field.
This is sort of why I’m not sure why we’re speculating on this so much now. We can wait 'til TWW comes out and judge properly when we get the full context of this society which includes half-elves. For all we know two half-elves reproducing together creates another half-elf.
I think it might be more mixed than we would think. We don’t know a whole lot about the Elves during the time of the Troll Wars, and I think naturally you would certainly see some which would view it with disdain. But I mean… what percentage? I couldn’t really say myself.
Again I really do think how we view this could hinge no how half breed races reproduce. It’s entirely possible the amount of half elves born during the Troll Wars was not a massive amount but a small breakaway of them allowed for an entire society of them to eventually be created.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I am thinking of the Mok’nathal aka the Half Ogres. This is a race of orcs and ogres who married each other and created this new race. Overtime their offspring married each other and produced their own children who as well were half ogres.
I guess if a half elf marries another half elf the child would also be half elf. Neither side dominating the genepool. Given enough time and breeding a new race would be born not quite human, but neither elf. I see that… It would also make those few unions over thousands of years cumulatively add up without elves and humans being aware.
Sort of like how humans turned from Vrykul which happened overtime as Vrykul kept having human babies. Not all Vrykul of course, but enough to make humanity a viable species on their own. I think the secreted away children of Arathi and Thalassians would be an interesting change. I can see that being a likely scenario.
I believe that they considered the pact fully honored with their actions during the Second War. They pulled out of the Alliance because they no longer felt any obligations at that point.
And now the current lore is changing. The reason was the pact was with the Thoradin line(which ended with Lothar) now the line isnt dead and so that is why this thread was created.
King Anasterian was looking for any reason to back out of the Alliance and once the war was concluded and a solution for the orcs was proposed that would of cost the elves money. They pulled a Gilneas and left the Alliance. Much to the consternation of Terenas Menethil.
I think the pact should be reconsidered. A new one made with these new half elves who are also Arathi… If Faerin Lothar is indeed a descendant of both peoples it would be incumbent on all elves whether high, blood, void or night/borne to review and debate what can be done with these wayward kin. To embrace them as elves and celebrate their achievement or let the humans have them and celebrate this new found Arathi tribe/nation.
I suspect the Half Elves will be continuing with us well beyond TWW. I can only imagine them fighting against the Void with their Light magics… Yay goodie another elf… I guess we may have them playable come the conclusion of TWW. I think Faerin Lothar will be quite the interesting character and should she lead the charge like Anduin Lothar against the Void that dares strike Quel’thelas… Oh the egg on the faces of Silvermoon… Another debt to the Arathi… and by extension to the humans.
And now the current lore is changing. The reason was the pact was with the Thoradin line(which ended with Lothar) now the line isnt dead and so that is why this thread was created.
Except we have no confirmation on whether or not the current lore is actively changing; There’s no reason to believe Faerin Lothar is related to Anduin Lothar. It was sworn to the Empire of Arathor (dead) and Thoradin’s Bloodline (currently extinct.)
Yay goodie another elf… I guess we may have them playable come the conclusion of TWW. I think Faerin Lothar will be quite the interesting character and should she lead the charge like Anduin Lothar against the Void that dares strike Quel’thelas… Oh the egg on the faces of Silvermoon… Another debt to the Arathi… and by extension to the humans.
Pass. Lor’themar or Lady Liadrin should be leading the charge against the Void in Midnight, not Faerin Lothar.
That obligation was with the old Alliance of Lordaeron which ceased to exist with the death of Terenas. They have no pact with the Alliance of Stormwind.
But that is wrong. It was never an obligation to the Alliance but an obligation to the Thoradin line. I never even once mentioned the Alliance because as of right now they wouldnt be a party to it. They would be a party to Thoradin’s decendants, which likely will include either her and maybe even whatever emperor sent her forces.
While that is true we dont have confirmation, the fact they are both Lothar indicate they are likely related. We will soon find out wont we.
I think what some people may not understand is that just because a character has the name doesn’t mean they’re part of that main bloodline.
For example, Lyandra Sunstrider. While she had the Sunstrider name, she was so far removed from the main bloodline that she held virtually no claim to the throne, even in the absence of any other Sunstrider.
The only basis by which Faerin Lothar is acknowledged as being of that line, would then be the same as Lyandra being acknowledged as part of the Sunstrider line. In effect, it’s continuing the dynasty by raising an outside element to the throne. In other words, had Lyandra Sunstrider been crowned Queen of the Blood Elves, the Sunstrider line continues through her.
Where Faerin is concerned, however, that doesn’t seem to be the case. She serves an Emperor, and unless that Emperor is her father or brother, then her bearing the name of Lothar doesn’t mean anything. If the new Arathi emperor is unrelated by blood to the line of Lothar, then it’s no different than if Lor’themar took the title of King for himself. It’d be a completely new dynasty, with a different bloodline, meaning that blood oaths are non-binding.
Just to reiterate, even if the Arathi Emperor is Faerin’s father and they share Anduin Lothar’s blood through a different line of Emperors, I don’t think even then the Elves of Quel’Thalas would be beholden to that old Blood Oath. As I’ve said before, it’s a completely different government from what once ruled. The Blood Elves would owe this new Arathi Emperor no pledges of friendship and alliance.
I’d still prefer if the Arathi themselves felt that they owed the Blood Elves their friendship and support at least. I think that provides for an interesting narrative where the Blood Elves get a sincere offer of support and aid without strings or anyone trying to manipulate them for a change. As the Arathi are not a part of the Alliance, it doesn’t tred into that messy territory either.
