And, you know, the fact that they were right.
That’s mildly important.
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Oh, I agree, what Genn did ended up being more important than anyone realizes. Imagine the horrors she would’ve been able to unleash with a entire army of Valkyr enslaved to her will.
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The fact that they were right is what makes the off-handed excuses to help them get away with their aggression so easy to achieve. Sylvanas did kind of make it easy though given all she’s done over the years.
What’s going to be their excuses in the future? Now that there are no more Sylvanas level villains in the Horde’s leadership there won’t likely be anymore mustache twirling evil plots to go, “See?!?! We were right all along!”
There might be 
The worst the Horde has to offer anymore is either Geya’rah wanting payback for what happened in Draenor or Telanji wanting justice for her father. Who else would there be?
It was easy to pick Sylvanas as the villain trope character. She’s been treacherous since WC3 and technically has always been going behind the Horde’s back doing bad things. To allow any current Horde characters to go that route would be a bit of a character assassination.
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I agree that any of the remaining horde leaders suddenly going Saturday Morning Cartoon Villian would be completly out of left field. The only one they could have used would’ve been Gallywix, but he left the horde once they were of no more use.
[citation needed]
(They most certainly didn’t punish anyone but the National Socialist Party or other government officials for war crimes.)
Lets be honest, Blizzard could decide to have Talanji take over the council and then commit a crime against Kul Tiras for the next villain.
I agree that Sylvanas was obvious (never agree with the Alliance spin on her being pure evil, but she was ruthless), but Blizzard has shown they can manufacture villains out of the heroes with no problem. Look at Yrel. The only reason we know she won’t be a big bad evil is that Blizzard won’t do that with an Alliance character.
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Which … truly sucks. There is such an interesting way to use the Lightbound as a precursor to the Light Cosmology expansion. Especially with characters like Turalyon at the helm of the Alliance with so many Doves’ absent.
As far as I’m aware, the implied reason so many of the Alliance leaders decided not to continue the war is that they didn’t believe the prospective losses would be worth it to eradicate the Horde. In the Alliance’s 8.2.5/8.3 weakened state. So … have a 3rd party tip the balance in their favor enough to acceptably offset the cost, while all of us are canonically trapped in SLs. A gift horse they have little reason not to trust like the AU Lightbound and Yrel. Then give them a catalyst to restart the conflict, like a character such as Faol or even Genn stumbling too close to the truth of their nature, and being assassinated. With their death being pinned on the Horde.
Boom, you have means, motive, and opportunity for the Hawks to try to finish off a group of people they have plenty of reasons to want to wipe out. You have a timeskip that ensures the the PC+Doves are away (Jaina, Thrall, Baine, Anduin, and Calia) until its convenient for the story they come back. You allow an opportunity for the Horde to take some heavy hits, but give chances for its very untested leadership to get tested. And by the time we get back, the Horde is on the breaking point … but things are getting a bit screwy on the Alliance side (the crystallization of the world, like Dreanor); meaning the Alliance PCs were tricked.
In essence, Yrel and the Lightbound learned from the mistakes of the Iron Horde and used the Alliance to slowly invade Azeroth. Not villain batted, but had their past grievances and thirst for justice/revenge used against them. And this invasion will lead us into the Light Cosmology expansion. “The Golden one claims an Empty Throne. The Crown of Light will bring only Darkness”. “The Light has made a Pact with the Enemy of All” (Light and Death).
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Given your usual complaints, this is an unwise hope, as you’d just be back here complaining about how Night Elf power fantasy stomps all over your non-existent Goblin power fantasy.
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I’m not sure how? My argument has always been that because of how Goblins operate they should be a bit more difficult for the NEs to deal with, with how the NE’s operate. But my general arguments have never revolved around the Goblins alone being sufficient enough to counter the NEs, I just feel like the NEs at this point being more powerful alone than the entire Kalimdor Horde is super arbitrary. And is largely maintained by the fact that a lot of the NE Racial Fantasy does revolve around “timelessness” and “maintaining or returning to the status quo”.
So … the NEs finding out that the Steamwheedle aided the Horde in the 4th War, and them culturally never having much reason to trade with them, would be a sufficient reason to push them out of Winterspring. Violently if necessary, as the Steamwheedle are not a part of the Horde and thus doing so would break no treaty. In effect destroying Everlook. With their economic prospects with the Alliance on Kalimdor therefore stymied by their own actions, the remaining Kali Steamwheedle could be “bargained” into the Bilgewater by Gazlowe.
Thus, the NEs kicking some Goblin a*s can help my Goblin racial fantasy overall.
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Well if you want Gadgetzan in trade for making Winterspring an actual Night Elf zone, that seems fair enough to me.
Hell, hopefully the Horde could even bring the Farraki into the fold to appease some of the Troll fans.
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That is exactly my Trade-Off. Since I do generally want the Farraki to also join the Horde, I would love for Gadgetzan to also join the Bilgewater. In return that ugly blot of a Goblin town in what even I’ve always felt should be a Winter NE Wonderland is gone. I want Gadgetzan for my Goblin Racial Fantasy, but I’ve ALWAYS wanted to see NE Winter Aesthetics.
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Oddly enough, in Before the Storm there was one Goblin from Everlook that had left Winterspring to work for Gallywix in Silithus. But, he didn’t really come off as indicating that there were more Goblins from Winterspring that were helping the Horde.
Though Everlook is an odd exception from the four Steamwheedle cities, as it’s the only one that doesn’t have a Trade Prince or leader in general.
It essentially just a mining town for Thorium deposits; with a side hustle for furs. That’s all Everlook really has been. Even as a rabid Goblin fan that city has always bothered me, as I’ve felt Winterspring should be a NE zone. But outside of like a single burrow and lodge with like no NPCs in it, the NEs truly have very little presence there. Instead we have this deeply environmentally unfriendly group slaughtering Chimera, Wintersabers, Furbolg, and Moonkin. Its Bizarre.
As a side note, and you may disagree, I would love for Moonglade to become a fullfledged NE zone. That place is a major cultural epicenter of NE Druidism (in the cultural sense, not the mechanical sense). It would be very cool to see that zone, along with Astranaar get turned into really fleshed out and robus NE settlements. The Horde races now have enough lore behind them to stand on and develop their own practices of Life Magic craft, lets return “Druid” lore-wize back to the NEs.
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I obviously do disagree on Moonglade, as the Cenarion loyal Tauren and friendlier Darkspear and obviously the Gilneans are still welcome there. That the Kul’Tirans and Zandalari have their own things going on doesn’t really have any relevance to the Cenarions, which are still functioning perfectly well as is.
As far as Winterspring, though, I would hope they would put back in the quest series that showed the origin of Wildkin back in. Luckily it’s still there in Classic WoW, but it was a very odd choice to take it out for a far more generic quest series in the Cataclysm revamp.
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The Morgenthau Plan by the Allied occupation of Germany following World War II was a proposal to eliminate Germany’s ability to wage war by eliminating its arms industry, and the removal or destruction of other key industries basic to military strength. This included the removal or destruction of all industrial plants and equipment in the Ruhr. It was first proposed by United States Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr. in a memorandum entitled Suggested Post-Surrender Program for Germany .[1]
While the Morgenthau Plan had some influence until July 10, 1947 (adoption of JCS 1779) on Allied planning for the occupation of Germany, it was not adopted. US occupation policies aimed at “industrial disarmament”,[2] but contained a number of deliberate “loopholes”, limiting any action to short-term military measures and preventing large-scale destruction of mines and industrial plants, giving wide-ranging discretion to the military governor and Morgenthau’s opponents at the War Department.[3][4] An investigation by Herbert Hoover concluded the plan would result in up to 25 million Germans starving to death.[5] From 1947, US policies aimed at restoring a “stable and productive Germany” and were soon followed by the Marshall Plan.
When the Morgenthau Plan was published by the US press in September 1944 it was immediately seized upon by the [N*** German]
government, and used as part of propaganda efforts in the final seven months of the war in Europe which aimed to convince Germans to fight on.
Until 1947, they changed their plan in this year. After 1947, they followed wit the Marshalplan.
" eplacing an earlier proposal for a Morgenthau Plan, it operated for four years beginning on April 3, 1948.[1] The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-torn regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, improve European prosperity, and prevent the spread of communism."
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I don’t like to talk about reheated eggs, so forgive me if that’s how it looks now.
However, your argument with logic is completely illogical regarding draenei - eredar and orcs.
The situation of the draenei to the eredar is that a Titan is present in person on Argus and promises infinite power and knowledge and all that cheese and really intends to keep it. Kil’Jaeden’s reason for joining him was that he never saw hope that his people could defeat this enemy. So you were faced with complete annihilation, no matter how you twist and turn it.
Velen could NOT have made any difference. Because Sargeras in his rage would have destroyed them (Argus) if the Eredar had refused. Besides, the offer of so much knowledge and power was only too welcome to such a knowledge-hungry people like the Eredar (and also power-hungry).
Kil’Jaeden then hunted the draenei across the galaxy and they only landed, after a few failed attempts at the beginning, when they had no choice. Also, at the time the draenei landed, the orcs were not culturally advanced enough to even begin to understand what was going on in the universe. We even know, the Draenei witnessed the cultural rise of the orcs. The naaru were too weakened, Velen himself was injured on a metaphysical level and could no longer see the future.
So Droite, maybe you have convinced other in “Paralells”, but the Paralell doesn´t exist. Its only a …wrong logic.
So tell me, where have the Orcs the same story? They were only hungry for Power and were never threatened before with litteraly…Destruction of their entire world.
Partly right, partly wrong. The peoples of the Alliance are based on a voluntary approach, in favour of the integrity and functionality of the Alliance. That means, if they do not want to, they may not accept any peace treaty for themselves and therefore it is not valid for their people.
Anduin can´t do anything, on a political power, his “High king” status is only a military rank, not a political. Genn could say “Screw you” and anduin must accept it.
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I’ve never put any stock into this concept that people like to bring up, given a sizable Horde complaint was the lack of the Horde doing anything of note to help bring down the Legion, besides stopping a muffin thief.
If anything, it would have been more in Sylvanas’ interest to leave a target on her back and stoke the tension between the Alliance and the Horde so that she could start her war to kill as many people as possible to send them to the Maw.
And it could also explain - assuming Bolvar is correct and the recent kidnapping are just Sylvnas being petty towards the people that have gotten in her way - why Sylvanas did not send her Forsworn after Genn as well, as in all likelihood, despite not abandoning the Night Elves for Gilneas as Sylvanas had expected him to, Genn otherwise probably played exactly into her hand the way she wanted someone to.
It would not be any real comfort, but that could also explain why she let Genn walk away from their fight in Stormheim instead of shooting him in the back as he limped off.
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Ummm Idk what you delusional alliance are talking about me and my Forsaken boi’s were doing nothing but GOOD and had nothing but GOOD intentions on our way to get the Aegis from the legions grasp, as that was my mission and the whole fleet was there to HELP ME, with that goal.
but, no my leader is on board, because she has her own mission for going there and was hitching a ride, so lets screw everyone over sure I guess.
Edit: You killed my homies, and your own for no good reason.
It’s like T boning my car because someone you hate is carpooling with me, even though the homies and me, have a completely different destination from her.
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