Stop, elf, a true Alliance member never cry for hordes.
Take the example of our greatest heroes, Lothar, Daelin, Garithos, Turalyon and Danath. They never cryed for hordes even in less numbers.
Get this examples and become a true Alliance.
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The difference is, and you said it yourself, Alliance don’t stick it out. They are looking for an easy win and when they don’t get one, they fold for a quick loss so they can re-queue and try again. The Alliance community does not have the same PVP mentality that the Horde does.
Nobody except you is talking about Epic BG win rates and splitting hairs on what time frame the data is valid for. That is maximum cherry picking and a biased sampling. Especially since Epic BGs have the least amount of PVP.
I’d say any AV stats from Legion onward are useless because you can do the whole thing without even targeting another player. You are picking the worst PVP queue to try to prove your argument.
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You can only do AV without PvP since the start of Shadowlands. All of BfA you had to cap all of the towers. You are further demonstrating how little you know about what you are -trying- to debate.
I specified my point in my initial post. The relevance of the topic is subjective, but you are now backpedaling just because you got found out to be a fraud. Just quit now and stop embarrassing yourself.
Don’t worry. I actually did the same as you and leveled my Alliance druid just for the fantasy of it with a close friend. We’ve hard switched Horde and don’t regret the decision and we’re already leagues ahead of where our Alliance stood even in just a week. Besides, once the catch up hits, we shouldn’t need to worry about it in the long run.
The towers full of NPCs you mean? How does that disprove what I said? There is almost no PVP in Alterac Valley. It has been an NPC zerg for years dude. Sometimes people try to recap but not often enough to matter.
You live in your own little world where the goal posts are on wheels. I gave you the numbers proving that I have done well over a thousand battlegrounds across 10 years of WoW that come out to roughly a 50% win ratio and your actual response was “But those don’t count!”
You’re talking out your [redacted]. If I make an inference based on your loss ratio, all I have to do is keep this argument going and there is a 50% chance you’ll leave it.
You have played like 10 epic BGs in the last 2 years “dude” as evidenced by the fact that you have played WG only a few times on multiple characters and Ashran what… once? Rofl.
There were choke points and plenty of PvP in EVERY AV during BfA. But you didn’t play so you wouldn’t know.
In any BG, you would have one of the absolute lowest honor levels in it. Truth is, most of the little honor you have was probably earned in the world quests during Legion. I will be generous and assume that you earned one full honor level in actual battlegrounds in the last 4 years.
And recent stats are obviously more relevant to this topic than stats over 4 years old.
Yes, because now the factions are SO unbalanced it will take temporary intervention to draw some of the FOTM crowd back to Alliance. Then once the factions are closer to being balance, the temporary imbalance can be removed.
But as it is now, because the the imbalance is so huge, only a fool would choose Alliance because choosing Horde has non-functional advantages like greater choice of Guilds, opportunities, mobility, etc.
20 minutes has gone by Ralanthel. And I can see you typing the entire time. You writing an essay or something?
If I did ever bow out of a debate with someone like you, it would be out of boredom after waiting so long for you to formulate a response.
Yes because battlegrounds have changed so much lol. Horde hasn’t even bothered to kill Balinda in AV for the last 3 expansions. Rush to the end and sit there waiting for towers to cap. The notion that you take Epic BGs seriously is laughable enough. Epic BGs are for quest completion and playing drunk.
If you look at broad, over the years statistics, even per-expansion statistics, BGs hover around a 50% win/loss for most players which is ideal. You are trying to use a sample of 50 games in the last 2 years from one queue of instanced PVP, where the least amount of PVP happens, and call it good data, while trying to say it shows a game wide bias that Horde is somehow special. That is just not how it works.
The way you approach your argument is just ridiculous.
Edit: I literally…LITERALLY left this up at 80% done to go make food. Are you just sitting here watching and waiting for me to respond? You just made my entire day, you angry nerd. 
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Oh yeah. I’m sure you did.
Stats from many years ago are not relevant. We are talking about the current state of the game and you are living in the past when you actually used to play it. My games from this character are for Shadowlands only. In BfA, I played several hundred.
You don’t have an argument. And you have no data because you don’t even play.
You have spent more time posting on these forums (almost 4000 posts since the forums updated) than you do playing PvP. And yet you think you are entitled to an opinion on the topic.
If people who actually play the game ever want some input on cooking, what a good recipe is, perhaps you are our guy? But when it comes to the current state of PvP in WoW, you know absolutely nothing.
They addressed a lot of them though.
But I see that because they didn’t address this one issue it means they addressed nothing. Got it.
The current state of the game is a week into an expansion launch; the PVP season hasn’t even started. If you are using that to try and say there is a bias on a game with a 15+ year history, you’re being willfully ignorant. I mean you kind of already proved that, but icing, cake, you know.
If you want more Alliance to PVP, set a better example by not being a quitter who whines about how bad your faction is. Honestly getting in to it with you has derailed the thread and the more I get you to admit, the smaller your sample size gets. It is now down to “The past week was bad for me.”
Good news is that out of spite, I am going to beat the absolute crap out of the Alliance now whenever I have time to slip a queue in. So some good did come of this.
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As far as storytelling horde or Alliance really don’t seem to have much to play right now. I’m sure one of our leaders will go crazy again and you can siege one of our cities and claim horde favoritism.
Also you have two races that have some really killer racials but because they’re not aesthetically pleasing their dead too many Alliance players.
Oh are you a player that has the skill and logs to be in one of the top 100 raiding guilds?
Someone hasn’t been on the forums recently. And that sounds like a made up number unless I see some stats.
In what way?
This is a dumb statement.
You can stop riding the coattails of your faction members. Anyone can play horde. Even I play horde a lot of the time.
And I bet even most alliance (who actually play) could stomp you in a fair fight. You would definitely need your horde buddies to help you. And you would need a group of people far smarter than you to help you win any argument. Despite your 4000 posts.
There is no indication that anything in Shadowlands will change. My most recent sample is merely an extension of my 2 year running sample from BfA.
If I were to ‘form an inference’ based on your own history, I would guess that you don’t queue at all though. Because you are merely a keyboard warrior who spends much more time e-fighting on forums than PvP’ing. And you are probably even worse at PvP than you are at e-fighting.
Did you play BFA? All the stats I listed are what it was for the entire expansion for Alliance.
Give it a few months and I guarantee you see the same thing repeat in Shadowlands.
Love how you are pretending its “made up” when its literally hard statistics from BFA and the past 5 expansions all of which have been Horde dominated.
Even the devs are admitting now that its so imbalanced they have no clue how to fix factions now
Horde win everything atm with the exception of the maw…which blizz saw to make easier for them anyway.
Last I heard the overall population of WoW is Alliance-sided by several percentage points? There are less Alliance PvPers which is why they have a stronger War Mode bonus… Oh, but that is something Blizz is actively doing to encourage more Alliance players, so I guess you want to ignore that…
There is now a weekly PvP quest for Alliance only which awards them gear, meaning that Ally get an extra chance at gear…
Devs cannot ‘balance’ player choice, they can only try to encourage it.
Remember: Most players are casual and do not care about literally any of this balance deal. People play as the race/class combo they want because it looks pretty and/or cool and/or badass to them. Racial abilities and differences are just the teeny little blip of accidental extraneous frosting over on that one corner of the cake. You know the one. I hate that corner.
Myself, I only view a racial ability as good if it is useful to me in some way. As in, it sees active use. Like, the summon-anvil, or extra fish, or faster mining, or the mobility belt. A passive small bonus to one stat or a tiny damage resistance to one element just gets lost in the ocean of numbers.
But really tho, it been a while since I looked at the current WoW population totals. From what I have gathered, though, more people play Alliance overall, but more PvPers play Horde, or something. That is how it is on Classic, anyway.
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You remind me of the DK that jumped me yesterday while I was questing and I killed him 3 times but he just kept coming back.
Also, not that I know what I am talking about, but you should try out Heartstop Aura. It is fantastic at shutting down healers. Although since you only do epic BGs you probably don’t worry about them since you are riding around in a tank the entire time, calling it PVP.
You don’t even have Wrecking Ball. Don’t pretend that because you have done a mountain of unskilled large scale battlegrounds that it makes you good at PVP. Unless you have a secret account somewhere, I have more pvp achievements than you in every tab, but you have PVPed more than I have this week. That obviously makes you the expert.
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You don’t use heartstop aura in Battlegrounds. And, like you said, the season hasn’t started.
I was beginning to wonder whether you went to cook another supper. Perhaps that’s why you (allegedly) have no time to queue for PvP. You are so darn busy cooking and eating all the time. It’s a wonder how you have so much time to post on here though
In all seriousness, I suppose you actually took the 12 minutes to frantically look up what PvP talents a DK should select. I’m glad this conversation has led to such enlightenment for you.