Will Shadowlands be another Hordefest?

Long cast stun that can be interrupted by a knockback or an instant stun.

A decent one.

Fear, something almost not used in PvE anymore and that only 2 classes have as abilities.

Haha…

Hahahaha…

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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We aren’t arguing it.

You are.

We know they didn’t. They even said they didn’t.

I am secure in my knowledge of knowing why any guild in BFA changed.

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But are they that imbalanced anymore? I’m pretty sure they’re mostly close together nowadays.

But you know what’s not balanced? The fact that Alli outnumbers the Horde in WPvP but still gets a WM bonus while the Horde gets nothing.

Maybe in 8.1 or something, but 8.2 and 8.3 were unplayable as Horde. Need I remind you that Alli literally crashed servers with how many people they ported into Battle for Nazjatar?

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Of course Horde will have the most because while it is fairly balanced right now, the damage is already done and it would have to be drastically imbalanced in favor of alliance just to get people to be willing to faction swap over to alliance because in the current situation with the scene on Horde side being so saturated no serious raiding guild would choose to be alliance.

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Last I checked Horde are still vastly outnumbering the Alliance… Stormrage never had a queue even at the start of Shadowlands. Area52 did (does?).

Honestly, this alone speaks volumes to how much this person actually knows about the game or the faction balance. Absolutely hilarious.

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You’re really using the queues on one of hundreds of realms to claim Alliance it’s “vastly outnumbered”?

I feel that the fact that they’ve been camping WM pretty comfortably while still having a bonus to be in WM, it’s proof that they’re doing ok.

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You would be making the same mistake as them comparing a few shards to the multitudes that exist beside them. Ultimately we’ll have a clearer picture of faction balance in War Mode after reset, presuming AoO and other War Mode bonuses don’t scale dynamically.

I used the highest pop realms for both factions. Stormrage is the de facto Alliance server.

You have to put a carrot in the alliance’s stick to get them to do anything. That being said, the fact that horde rarely need incentive to do anything leads me to believe they aren’t really suffering very badly. See: all of BFA.

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considering humans haven’t had every man for himself for the longest time, they had perception oh wow…

I recommend you just don’t play…

Yeah there are multiple shards, that’s true.

But if things were bad in those, we’d be sure to see people complaining about it.

Ironic that you’re saying that from the MG shard, though.

Congratulations, you figured out the main problem with the Alliance.

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True. I love my Troll and Tauren, but jesus I just wanna be a Draenei :frowning:

Vociferous are those with a chip on their shoulder, evermore than they who, while perchance not wholly satisfied, are at least content.

As I said, we will see for sure when we see.

I’ll never understand why 1400 rated players on Horde are SO desperate to keep their advantages. Balancing factions is good for everyone, sorry if it involves you having slightly less OP racials for the first time in a decade.

how you gonna disrespect regular dwarves like that?

Anyone wanna link the pvp leaderboards and bloodmallet charts and show humans and night elves being the best at everything. Followed by core Dwarf coming in to cover them on classes they cannot play?

No?

are you telling me most people on the forums are just shouting at clouds and don’t actually play the game much less read basic statistics?

hmmmm

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Why say “heres stuff from the past” and then just lump current and stuff that isnt current together?

Yeah an expansion just launched where your faction not only got an extra 15% boost to leveling over Horde players, but the resulting surge of Alliance at 60 before Horde led to them ganking the absolute crap out of the only Maw entrance so intensely that Blizzard had to patch it. Not to mention your exclusive weekly quest that rewards a ton of anima.

Diplomacy is one of the best early expansion / patch racials in the game, and Every Man for Himself was overpowered for three expansions. Shadowmeld has been one of the best M+ racials since Legion, and Stoneform is going to be very strong in Castle Nathria due to dropping / preventing bleeds. It was so strong in Beta that Blizzard had to go back and adjust it.

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