Is the book the one with the fight between Garrosh and Carine? If it’s not I’d genuinely like to know which one it is. If it from Warcraft era there’s been some many retcons in the game, books, and comics you wouldn’t be able to take it seriously at this point. But that WoWs writers for you.
Neither of them cared about the Mak’gora, or the old ways. So of course.
The only time the rules are described of what makes a Mak’gora was in The Shattering. I don’t expect Sylvanas to hold to Orkish traditions, not really anyone at this point.
They also both used more than one weapon.
You keep mentioning the old ways but there have been multiple instances of Blizzard writing mak’goras. You’re clinging to this one fight like it sets a precedent for every other one. It’s not even the first one shown.
After Saurfang nicked her yeah.
If neither of them cared then it wouldn’t have happened. Sylvanas accepted the challenge, and Varok cared enough to know that it was the only way to spare the lives of the Horde soldiers on both sides of the rebellion.
Again we have 11 different confirmed cases of a mak’gora being issued. We have, confirmed in the lore, different rules being used in many of them. You’re adamant that the traditional rules exist and they do, but they’re not the only rules that get used. It’s that simple.
I doubt it. Becoming nothing other than a pile of dust after a moment like that is pretty much final send off worthy. I imagine Garrosh is permanently done. If he comes back, it would undermine his experience entirely as someone who went out on his own terms in a true and passionate manner.
Not to mention that the theory going around is Garrosh wasn’t even meant to get the cinematic he got, and the only reason he got it was because a developer who had a passion for the character wanted him to have a cinematic for his final moments. To me, that says Blizzard is officially done with the character and was fine with the idea of discarding him.
Again, no.
It would only be cheating if Sylvanas and Varok had agreed to a traditional duel, which they did not. Meaning armour was permitted, as was magic and multiple weapons.
The only hard rule that all mak’gora’s follow is that once a weapon is dropped it cannot be picked back up.
When Saurfang dropped his axe, he didn’t pick it up. When Garrosh lost Gorehowl in the duel with Thrall he did not pick it up. When Garrosh knocked Doomhammer out of Thrall’s hands, he did not pick it up.
That’s the only rule cemented in stone for all mak’gora challenges.
Barring the fact that by playing by the rules Sylvanas could’ve achieved more still holding Horde leadership.
That’s entierly pointless, especialy if we are talking about Garrosh. He insisted i
on the traditional way.
Thralls new rules were ment to make it less faital (a good thing). Why more weapons are helping that? No idea.
It’s simple realy. The only description we have is from that book.
Except it not. There’s comics where rules were set before hand.
Doubtful, she outed herself as not caring for the Horde while the duel was still ongoing. Technically Sylvanas won the mak’gora when she killed Varok, but as she had shown her true colours to all those present, there was no way she could remain Warchief, which is why she abandoned the Horde entirely.
I saw it more as her throwing a hissy fit, betraying everything her character stood for.
She did that when she brainwashed the night elves of darkshore. I know the canon is “they’re recently raised and you can take advantage of the confusion” but like really? They seem to be in full control of their faculties
If I was writing it:
- Jailer remakes reality, the power gained from every soul sent to the maw is used somehow in that remaking, which also consequently dispenses those souls throughout the remade reality.
- The Agent smith paradigm, we all know what is supposed to happen to Garrosh… he died while dead (that sentence alone should make us all double take at the lore)… instead of dissipating, his hellscream “ironwill” allows his soul to reform and break the rules of the afterlife… to actually ascend, you gotta realise every other soul in the afterlife had a finite finite amount of anima that was the whole point of the the anima drought… Hellscreams soul had an unlimited amount of anima, the more tortured he was the more it produced… his suffering was a perpetual motion machine… thats worth exploring. No matter what the did to him, not only did he survive, he become MORE steadfast in his belief… he was not repentant… this hints that he was in the right and maybe just maybe we were all in the wrong.
Maybe if Garrosh still led the horde (we didnt depose him and force him to go to AU dreanor), sylvanas would never have been warchief, teldrasil would genocide would not have occured (Garrosh showed he didnt want to kill innocents until they flipflopped on that side of his character for narrative effect).
Okay, but, we have to work with what we’ve got, and Garrosh we know met his final end in the Sanctum.
So he’s not coming back.
We may encounter an AU version of him, but it won’t be the Garrosh that we knew from our timeline. That Garrosh is long gone.
If anything, we’ll encounter a better Garrosh, because as the Bronze Dragonflight pointed out to us, our Garrosh was the worst incarnation of all possible timelines.
This is pretty much what I am advocating for yes, I accept that.
I know blizzard ultimately screwed up Garrosh by constantly jack knifing over what to do with him and canonically he is all over the shop honourable one minute, old god corrupted the next (despite them inisisting they would not do that to him)… much like how Saurfang was emo crybaby or just MIA all BFA, then someone honorable at the end)… I mean no matter how junk the story gets and how contradictory… they throw up that Orc spirit “for the horde”, and I get nostalgic and hooked back in.
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Like Illidan in BT you are right, hes gone for good.
Or Kael’thas in tempest keep, or kael’thas in sunwell or kael’thas in shadowlands…
Or ragnaros in molten core…
Or Nefarian or…
Big difference between those characters and Garrosh though.
Because Blizzard has made it very clear that when a soul dies in the Shadowlands, it’s gone for good.
Sooooo your saying we’re going to the afterlife’s afterlife after this. That’s gonna be a really bad xpack.
Didnt the dragons say our universe got the worst possible version of Garrosh?