I am not sure where you live, but in the US anyone under 18 is a Minor Child.
It is all pretty easy.
Public Chats in game are public with strangers. Be polite. Keep your colorful chat for your private groups of friends who share your humor and interests.
If someone asks you to leave them alone, leave them alone.
If you want to be left alone, put someone on Ignore
Being a decent human is not really hard to to do.
On the rest of this. Proof is not needed to simply address the reporting system. If someone feels harassed I am more than happy to point them to the resources in place to assist them. I donât need proof of anything to explain how the Ongoing Harassment and Ignore systems work. I will leave it to the actual staff to sort out the facts, not a forum where none of us have access to logs anyway.
I am not advocating being rude. Just worrying about our future right to say anything at all.
I, as usual, base myself on actual experience.
As I said, I am no more sure of having the right to tell my opinions, even though I am not offending anyone.
And I call that harassment. To me. A new type maybe, but harassment it is.
Then what exactly do you want? I donât know how they have to bring proof just because they explain a situation without blaming a specific person. If someone came in here and said âNilannâs guild kicked me out because they are racistâ, I would want proof for that, because accusations against specific other people obviously need some sort of proof. But I donât know why someone should post screenshots just because they tell us about their experience with people and how customer service handled it (or didnât).
It is, I canât believe this is happening, lmao. People here are pretending like everythingâs fine in the WoW community and someoneâs automatically lying if he doesnât post any juicy proof to back the story of their own experiences up.
But some folks here surely do have their reasons why they get so defensive and ignorant about the topic.
And here we see exactly why you canât have an honest discussion about this topic.
Itâs perfectly reasonable to want proof of something happening when accusations are thrown out, our entire legal system is predicated on the basis of âinnocent until proven guiltyâ.
But apparently the expectation of that is âgrossâ and âvictim-blamingâ.
You are mixing 2 things up (and yes I am aware youâll get at me for âmansplainingâ).
How Blizzard deals with bots vs how Blizzard deals with individual one offs are two totally different things. Contrary to what you may think, but banning bots quickly and individually often works much more in the bot makers favor since it allows them to quickly pivot and do new/different things to existing/new bots to avoid detection. Blizzard tracks bots and then once they are ready, they apply whatever change breaks the bots and then ban the accounts all at once. Bot banning waves are always fun to be present for as the forums (here and elsewhere) light up like Christmas trees with tons of people whining and crying and trying to claim they are false positives and whatever such nonsense.
Blizzard absolutely does ban individual harassers much more quickly IF they determine the accused deserves it. You arenât owed a personal response back detailing the specifics of the investigation and subsequent actions, if any, taken. There is always 2 (or more) sides to a story though and I, personally, find it very hard to believe this innocent doe-eyed girl was just skipping along in a forest picking wildflowers when a guy and his guild of hoodlums just decided to single her out and bring their collective might on continuously ruining her game experience and they are so devoted to this cause they literally spend their ingame time doing little more than making alts to continue to harass her. There is obviously some beef there and a reason behind it and while 2 wrongs donât make a right, Iâm of the opinion the entire lot of them probably has enough blame/fault in the entire thing to all earn forced vacation time.
You are not being that honest yourself. While it is more than reasonable to want proof what people also are doing is asking âwhat did you doâ. It really is like stand your ground laws, where it does not matter what you did preceding the harassment. The only thing that is relevant is if the person is being harassed, not if they did something to cause it. If they have proof that they are being harassed then action should be taken if, no proof then nothing happens.
And you are further proving itâs impossible to have an honest discussion on this topic because youâre applying and insinuating things about me which I never even hinted at.
Not once did I say anything remotely suggesting that the OP did âsomething to cause the behaviorâ. You canât have an honest discussion about a topic when people who disagree with you apply arguments that you never even made to you.
I still donât get why there should be any proof here. How can there be a witch hunt when no specific person is mentioned? Sure there needs to be some proof if someoneâs saying âJim from the guild âFacerollersâ harassed meâ, but I donât see how that would be necessary if someone just tells other people that they are being harassed by someone and donât feel they get any help. Why should that person bring prove for that? Whoâs hurt by this âaccusationâ when there is no person directly accused?
Thatâs the reason why Iâm so confused and why some of us find it so weird and disturbing that someone tells a vague story and eveyoneâs like âShow some proof Karen!!11â. You want the proof for some personal entertainment?
In the OPâs specific case I believe itâs more of a âprove that Blizzard doesnât take action against banning people who engage in sexist and racist behaviorsâ. The accusation the OP is levying is against Blizzard themselves while using anecdotes to color that accusation.
Neither do i, but im speaking of my own personal experience with parasitic players. These players do not understand that:
I am not here to entertain them
I donât like being followed as if im a streamer
I really donât like creepy whispers or âOwO [Nuzzles you]â unironic messages.
I just wanna do my dailies/raid/dungeon and log off. Them sending me messages makes me not want to log on.
I hate simps. I donât care if they enjoy the dumb art I post on twitter/discord or the rp I do on my server, just donât be a simp. Simps infuriate me more than anything, as they only see me as âomg girl i can try to have a e-relationship with/notice me senpaiâ than a human being.
Lol, I wonder why. If I would tell a vague story about how people are harassing me and Blizzard doesnât seem to do much about it and then everyoneâs pointing fingers at me, do some victim blaming, want a collection of proof and tell me a âdramamongerâ I would leave too. These people want to express their frustration with a situation without starting a witch hunt for specific players and then are treated like garbage here and you wonder why they donât stay here and justify themselves.
Nobody can prove if these people got banned, muted or not after tickets or reports, because only the one who received the penalty knows this.
Iâve had someone spreading vile rumors about myself all over the server and that was some pretty fâd up stuff that went to a lot of people. Some of them told me and showed me screenshots and they also told me who it was, so a ticket was written. The GM couldnât tell me what will be done, but that they would take care of the situation. Well, that snake had a good laugh because he got a 24-hour-mute that didnât bother him, as he could play the game. He got a slap on the wrist, nothing more.
I know you may not like hearing this but this is a perfect example of why you canât take anything at face value.
You were personally involved and felt that the punishment itself wasnât enough, so that colors your own perception. You are probably a reasonable person who under most circumstances isnât going to falsely accuse someone of behavior they did not engage inâŚbut all we on the outside know is you were involved and that means you are biased.
The GM moderating the event could have very well also been in a situation where they themselves had been ganged up on by a group of people wishing to punish them and therefor it colored their perception of the situation and drove them toward a punishment that may have been too lenient. We do not know if they themselves were biased in their moderating.
Without facts none of us outside of the situation can properly judge whether or not the punishment itself was fair. You really canât just take these things at face value, especially in a medium such as WoWâs General Discussion forums.
No, I am not applying or insinuating things about you. I said people, if I was talk about you I would have said you. If you read the thread you will see that some posters are insinuating that she may have done something to cause it. Now this goes to show how easily people can be offended or insulted by a perceived slight. How once offended or slighted the focus goes to that and not the topic at hand.
Literally the first sentence in the post you made that I responded too. If youâre making general statements you donât do so in a reply accusing someone of being dishonest.
