Classic Era was utterly dead. I tried playing a few times during TBC, and the most populated clusters had like a dozen people online at a time.
They’re doing ok now though.
As far as Wrath, if SoD can ravage the playerbase it doesn’t look great for Wrath Era. The vast majority of people seem to just gravitate to whatever is fresh.
That’s just the way it’s been for tens of thousands of years. No one wants to pay to preserve books, movies, music, art. Even much written by the recognized greats have been lost or saved by a stroke of luck. Most of Shakespears plays were almost lost until a centuries old portfolio was discovered in a box of books in some dead person’s attic. Movie films were shoved into some warehouse for years until some executive looks into it only to find much of it was useless from age. You can’t just store this stuff in a warehouse. At the very least it has to be climate controlled or it deteriorates, mold grows, insects or rodents nest and eat it. Did you know that margins were invented so that if insects or rodents nibbled on a book they wouldn’t destroy the part with actual words.
Libraries don’t preserve anything but the most rare recognized valuable of their collection They have only so much space and sell books, records, and cds that haven’t been checked out in some time in yearly “Friends of the Library” sales. I regularly go to such sales usually to buy records since music is my passion. But I never have enough money to buy more than a tenth of the records for sale.
I read an article a few months ago about a collector of rock albums. He had several thousand. He and a few other individuals that cared were searching for some one, anyone, some wealthy investor or business to preserve this collection. If he’s lucky enough to find someone there are others over the years who will not be so lucky.
Maybe in a few years every thing will be digitalized and storage costs won’t be so high. But even if the storage costs were sufficiently low there is still the high costs of digitalizing to get it onto the hard drive or other storage media. But for now much of what’s published will be lost.
Ughhh you just make it sound like history is worth shoving into the trash so people can make more money. If people don’t why to pay for it why bother even keeping it around in the first place and again why even bother creating anything. You will just get tossed into the garbage like trash to make a quick buck for someone else.
I don’t know where you got that idea. I very clearly said that there are people that want wrath era. I’m just pointing out what the evidence most likely shows. That there aren’t enough to make it profitable.
I don’t think I’ve made fun of you for wanting it. Again all the evidence I can get seems to show that not enough want it to make it profitable. It’s clear that’s what blizzard thinks too or they would happily maintain wrath era servers.
That’s not my view. This is just a discussion and I’ve been very nice and polite. A couple of years ago I was bored so I got out my morrowind CD and tried to load it onto my computer after at least 15 years of not playing it. I tried everything I could think of and a few things I read on line but could not get it to play. I was disappointed. I wish when microsoft made new operating systems they made a way for all old games to still be playable.
I read a lot and a few years ago I read an article about this old chairperson of the board of the New York Ballet. She had hundreds of old films of many of the great dancers who performed there, most of them dead. They were unplayable by normal means but the Smithsonian developed a way to read them with some laser. It was an expensive and laborious process but I’m glad the government allocated funds to preserve it. But you know republicans are always complaining when ever liberals fight to spend those tax dollars on such “waste.”
You know, there’s tons and tons of stuff like that out there. There’s century old film, music on plastic cylinders from before flat records were invented, paintings and sculptures by lessor know artists etc. When I visited Japan I met a man who had about a hundred old 78’s of the early jazz artists. That’s my passion. I’d have paid him to digitalize all of them but at the time it was prohibitively expensive just to buy enough memory to store it and no usb port to get it into a computer.
I’d love to see it all preserved but there just isn’t money to do it.
This conversation is depressing because I am a content creator. I write my own stories, slowly making more money off my work. And this just makes me feel that all my work is. . . worthless.
It just paints a very grim reality of the world and I already struggle to tell myself that “Hey I can get my writing and such to work.” The thought of possibly losing my work before I die of old age doesn’t exactly help. (Also, I can’t really do anything about people stealing my work beyond them shaming them considering I can’t pay the lawyer costs for every random person who would decide to publish my short stories under their name. If I was even able to do such a thing in the first place.)
It just is saying that people are able to steal my work and profit off of it and my work may not even last long enough to keep me alive thought my entire life. So why should I even bother doing what I love? Because it sure doesn’t seem like people care enough about the creative media anymore unless they can get it for free.
I can’t tell you how many people have told me that stories and art should be for free. I even had someone tell me I was ruining the writing business for how I priced my commissions (and I am on the cheaper end.)
Between people wanting it for free and no wanting to pay for this stuff it just. . . why do I even bother with this dumb profression?
Ppl simple dont have a clue about what is MMO nowadays
MMO players will play the same game for years.
I get how difficult it is and I really do sympathize. I am for the content creators both small and large. That’s why I spoke out against Napster back when everyone I knew loved it. and am on the record many times here posting against wow private servers. You can’t speak for the small content creators and then claim it’s fine to steal from the large corporate content creators. Amazon for all the good it’s done to get less expensive books to consumers has squeezed the remuneration to the content creators, the authors. The internet is great, I love it, but there are many problems it’s created that we haven’t begun to deal with. And it’s continuing a pace.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/opinion/audiobooks-spotify-streaming-algorithm.html
Spotify may have made it easier than ever for us to listen to an enormous trove of music, but it extracted so much money in doing so that it impoverished musicians. Now the company is turning its attention to books with a new offering. It will do the same thing to writers, whose audiobooks Spotify has begun streaming in a new and more damaging way.
They are selling upgrades and unsub when forced to move over. For those that want wrath era
So Blizzard should offer and maintain era servers even if there is no profit in it because it’s bad that media is disposable, but you hate the profession because people want content for free?
And if you suggest private servers, you also expressed you hate when people take your own work and reupload it as theirs for profit.
Can you not see you think it’s bad of blizzard to not maintain era servers for the same reason you hate the profession?
Wrath is terrible and is easily the worst of the pre-cata trilogy. I do agree people who want to keep playing it should get an era server though.
WotLK is a hodge podge of experimentation bursting at the seams with bad ideas and poor execution every step of the way. Ulduar and ICC have to hard carry it, and even they got saddled with oddities.
It was MoP that almost perfected what Cata and WotLK were trying to do. If any non vanilla expansion will get an era server, it will be MoP, as it is as far away from vanilla as it is from DF. That, and not even the most out of touch hardcore raider can summon the enthusiam for a WoD classic.
Cata will decline alot if players once they have their good enough for the next phase gear can go and play something else. So they need there not to be a version which would threaten cata. Its why they spam report pro-wrath threads, and alt post on them with hatred to wrath because when it comes down to it once ds drops and it becomes a choice between ds and icc. I would just pick icc. And some idiots point to fl, we are talking about the endgame raid which the game will lead to.
Because cata has harder raids, but look at uldaur as the closest model. Hard, but lead to a decline that will be the cata experience a decline. By contrast look at tbc they had hard raids near the end, but they also had good raids which were not hard but would give amazing stuff. Tbc is what pro cata people think it will be like but the lack of a reason to not just do ds will force people into ds.
Well, If I was in charge. And I wish I was. I would be open and honest. And I would give my fans what they want lol. That is what a true business does. To keep all of their players constantly coming back craving more. More options for everyone is always the best. Even if it is a small net loss to me in the end.
I mean, blizzard still makes trillions of dollars a second. I think they can spare some money here and there for permanent wrath classic versions. I would be making permanent bc classic versions to. And you wouldn’t have all this bullcorn taking up the forums all the time about how terrible the company is. Because I wouldn’t be terrible at leading and compromising here and there to satisfy my customers.
That’s really not what any successful business does. They sell products that make a sufficiently large profit and stop selling products that don’t.
Activision/Blizzard net profit per quarter is several hundred million.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/282740/activision-blizzards-net-income-by-quarter/
A true business does it’s absolute best to do two things.
A. Make trillions of dollars in profit.
B. Make everyone happy. Customer satisfaction guaranteed. Keep company and employee morale up.
What I see here are alot of people not happy about the removal of classic wrath. And there is a way to market off of those folks and turn a profit off of permanent wrath classic.
I mean, anyone who thinks permanent wrath classic as a permanent option won’t sell and make a profit. They are out of their minds.
What I see is very few people want classic wrath. Look at this thread. It’s been around for 20 days and only has 35 posts. If you hadn’t necro bumped it it would have disappeared. You’ve necro bumped a dozen threads tonight. I’m guessing you’re so excited waiting for Santa to come you can’t sleep. Even though mommy has told you over and over again that Santa won’t come until you’re sleeping. And he knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you’re awake. More important, it’s not good to necro all these threads. It’s not only against the forum tos but Santa knows if you’ve been bad or good so be good for goodness sake. He’s making a list. He’s checking it twice. He’s gonna find out who’s naughty or nice.
But to return to my point. Wrath era is a relatively minor issue here. Rdf was an important issue for a lot of people. The threads were over 100, often several hundred, and even over 1,000 posts long. The same happened in phase 2 of Vanilla classic. There were threads with hundreds and some more than a thousand posts. And that was an issue that only affected players on pvp servers. If the forum is any indication of how many care that their will be no wrath era servers the answer is clearly not very many.
I actually hit my flag limit reporting all his necro bumps this morning. Merry Christmas everyone!
Listen. Unless a thread is like 10 months old. It isn’t a necro.
Yeah i agree. Should of kept designing the game around people who dont really want to play the game. If they add something out of raids and you feel forced to do it. Thats a player problem.
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