And you did that already!
CE pets were account-wide in Vanilla, and Classic servers use the same accounts as Retail so it makes sense to share them. Murky was not account-wide in Vanilla, so it doesn’t make any sense to share that one.
Getting Murky at BlizzCon 2020 is more authentic; that’s what you should be lobbying for.
But of course, you’re not doing that because the whole point of this request is not for you to have Murky, but for you to be the only person with Murky.
I’d love for them to introduce “Old Man Murky” and reuse the model in the future Blizzcon. Maybe for 15th-20th anniversary.
Give him a beard, cane, and the same song/dance but he gives up halfway.
And if Murky at a future Blizzcon is the future, or a future wow classic patch so be it. I honestly would just like an answer /shrug.
I’m not here stomping my feet demanding anything. I just wanna know tbh. I can live with a no if that’s the case, but there’s no harm in asking Blizzard
You agree that Murky wasn’t in Vanilla at release, so why do you continue to push the “double standard” drum?
There’s no double standard. CE pets were part of the game at launch, Murky was not. To me that’s kind of the end of it. Now you just have to sit and wait to see what they do as the game progresses.
I feel it’s a double standard because they have mentioned the vanilla CE, but not Murky. We’ve been left high and dry with no answer for almost 2 years now. I’m not the only one to ask this question. It’s just silence, which creates a double standard of “Why them but not us?”
If it’s authentic and Murky comes at a later patch for those with him, that’s fine, i just want to know the answer. I’m not demanding, pouting, or throwing a tantrum about it. I just wanna know wsup.
Also, the launch client is 1.12 so quite a bit of the launch stuff won’t be “authentic” so who does having Murky really hurt? I’d be fine waiting for a patch to unlock him if that’s what it takes, but he does belong in classic even if it isn’t day 1.
I hear people suggesting to drop him at this year blizzcon for everyone; which is also a double standard because the vanilla CE pets aren’t available at blizzcon, OR from the “new” Collector’s Edition for classic (that woulda been the place to put them…) IF the vanilla CE pets were available with the classic CE, then i’d totally be supportive of that idea of Murky at blizzcon
I do feel it’s wrong that the vanilla CE get in, but Murky doesn’t.
We can agree to disagree, and if the consensus is “wait for a future patch” that’s fine with me. I just want to know.
It’s the silence on this issue that bothers me more than a direct “No” would. They should have addressed this the minute the vanilla CE pets were included.
Either BOTH belong in classic, or NEITHER do.
IF it’s truly a fresh start, then neither belong TBH. IF the vanilla CE are grandfathered in, Murky has to be as well. Why discriminate against Murky owners but not vanilla CE? It’s either a fresh start, or not. If not, Murky belongs in just as much (if not more) than the vanilla CE IMHO
PS - considering you have the vanilla CE pet but NOT murky, you don’t think there’s a little bias in your posts do you?
You are still posting the same arguments you have been pushing the entire thread when people have given you reasonable counterpoints to all your arguments which you choose to ignore.
CE is acc wide, Murky is a one time use code.
It isn’t a reasonable counterpoint at all though, it’s just Vanilla CE owners trying to justify the double standard.
Pretty much everyone AGAINST this idea on the thread is a vanilla CE pet owner. Hmmmm
Fact is they are ALL account bound now, and your “it’s account bound vanilla CE pets” were ONLY intended to be in retail, just like Murky.
By allowing the vanilla CE pets into classic, there’s no logical argument AGAINST murky being added. maybe not right away at launch, but would you really object to Murky owners getting him down the road with a patch?
Murky belongs in every bit as much as the vanilla CE pets. Your bias is blinding you here.
There’s only 2 valid arguments here…
EITHER it is a complete fresh start and BOTH the vanilla CE and Murky owners are left out and nobody has them.
OR
BOTH the vanilla CE pets and Murky get in for their respective owners.
To allow A in but not B when both were iconic to vanilla is outrageous, and borderline discriminatory towards Murky owners.
We can agree to disagree all we want, but i’m not swayed by the “murky one time use code” argument because BY THAT SAME LOGIC, i should have him in on classic on at least one toon.
By that very logic, my card has NEVER been used in classic and the code would still be valid with the vendor.
You can’t have it both ways here.
Either BOTH belong in classic, or neither do, and i have not been swayed by the selfish arguments of vanilla CE pet owners who basically say “i get my toy, but you don’t because selfish reasons”.
There is completely a valid argument for not letting you xfer your code for free therefore using it twice, again you are just pretending they work the same way to further your cause. You got your one time use out of your code and CE accs continue to be CE accounts. There is no correlation between the two.
Do you suggest TCG loot should work the same way where you should be able to re-use any one time use codes? Do you think if they continue with Classic type expansion servers they should let everyone use their Spectral Tiger codes etc if they have already redeemed it on Retail? If anything they should let you redeem new codes on Classic I would have no objections to that whatsoever, you can use your unused one time use code and have Murky on Classic the way the code is supposed to function.
The only reason you don’t find any counterpoints reasonable is because you are being unreasonable. You clearly only want to hear people who agree with you.
The fact I or anyone else has CE has literally nothing to do with the argument they are completely different on how they function.
If someone has TCG loot, WHEN/IF TBC servers come out, i don’t care if they get their items again. The precedent was ALREADY SET by the vanilla CE pets.
I disagree with you entirely about “CE are CE, and Murky isn’t account bound” because BOTH of those arguments are you twisting the facts. Murky is account bound in classic already so blizzard knows who has him because they built it on modern architecture, so the ability to give Murky to who has him is no different technically than the vanilla CE pets. It’s literally the exact same thing.
Secondly, your “CE accounts are CE accounts” argument is just wrong. Your CE account is supposed to be for retail, not the recreation of retail. If anything, the new Classic CE SHOULD be where the vanilla CE pets are… but they aren’t, so here in lies the double standard.
IF the vanilla CE pets weren’t included, i’d totally buy/support the fresh start and say “sorry murky, stay in retail” but the precedent is set.
You are already using your vanilla CE codes twice technically in the same exact way, it is ALL tied to account now with blizzard’s new architecture.
I’m not asking for special treatment or system changes, i would totally be happy with a one time use code for it since i have him, or if my old card worked on the vendor (since it technically wouldn’t have been used in an alternate reality wow fresh start) but the one time use code would 100% be better since blizz knows who has him, and not everyone still has their Murky card (i kept both my murky and grunty in their old blizzcon swag bags in card cases)
I’m not asking for Murky on every toon, i’m completely happy with 1 time use for 1 character. I want it like vanilla, no changes there. I’m not asking that Murky be changed to match the vanilla CE account bound; i’m just asking that he be included for Murky owners since he belongs.
I’ve been saying the same suggestion that, if you have Murky, blizz should mail you a one time use code. I would totally be ok with this
Murky was not a CE pet; it was a BlizzCon pet. The CE pets went to those who bought the Collector’s Edition, and were available in 2004. Murky didn’t come along until October 2005 (patch 1.11.1.5462) and the redemption code was ONLY given to folks who ATTENDED that first BlizzCon.
If you’re wanting a CE pet included, that’s one thing, since CE pets (I guess) are being included. But you’re wanting a BlizzCon pet – which is NOT a CE pet – included. Your comparing a limited pet (the CE was produced in a very limited quantity) with one that anyone who attended BlizzCon got the code for.
Pets are just visual clutter in classic.
Murky was the vanilla Blizzcon pet. As for rarity, that shouldn’t affect this discussion in any way because both are equally rare and expensive third party (you could probably get Murky a hell of a lot easier and cheaper than the vanilla CE)
It shouldn’t matter how they were obtained, they were both the only outside pets obtainable in vanilla.
IF it was treated like an alternate reality WoW where it’s a fresh start, i’d get it and wouldn’t care but the vanilla CE pets were supposed to only be for retail.
By adding them to Vanilla WoW 2.0, and for only those who had it then and not the current classic CE, it presents a double standard of “why not Murky too?”
Murky belongs in just as much as he was a special part of vanilla, and again, how many of us Murky owners are even left? Who does this hurt?
Again I don’t understand what precedent you are talking about CE and redemption codes are NOT the same thing.
Murky was bound to one character? Never did I state they wouldn’t know who has it in Retail or Classic? I’m sure they COULD give Murky to everyone who logs on the method of getting the pets is what is different.
You are the one that is talking about Classic being some standalone game? It’s still tied to my WoW account. You can still buy tokens in Retail and have it work for Classic I’m unsure why you seem to think it’s some autonomous entity.
You are saying you are not asking for changes then directly after that you are asking for codes to work twice?
The one time use for one character should be after you enter an unused code.
You are proving my point for me that if it isn’t some standalone game, and vanilla CE pets are included, then Murky should be as well.
IF it isn’t a stand alone game or a fresh start; Murky is bound to my account and should come along for classic too since he was the iconic vanilla pet. He is, after all, “still tied to my wow account”
I’m not asking for the codes to be used twice, the code was ALREADY used and unlocked on my account. My account already has Murky, therefore, he should come along too.
It presents a double standard otherwise regardless of what you think. Bind Murky to one character, fine, but the precedent of allowing older items to come along for re-creations of older realms was given by the vanilla CE pets.
IF the vanilla CE pets were included with the new classic CE; my argument would be without teeth.
With the vanilla CE pets not included in the classic CE; the precedent is set for Murky to join up in classic for Murky owners.
No changes means Murky in classic. Leaving him out IS a negative change.
Providing him at a future blizzcon for all, and not the vanilla CE pets with the Classic CE also presents a double standard there if Murky is put out that way.
Murky belongs in for those who have him if the vanilla CE pets are. Your argument is moot because he is already tied to my account and no code is required. He is in the code, the code already knows that my account has him… why the hell NOT include him but the vanilla CE pets?
There’s no valid argument against it if the vanilla CE pets are included. Period.
It’s just a pet and there’s very few of us left after all; who does this hurt to include him? No one
I’m beyond bewildered if you think anything I have said is proving your points
Because there’s only 2 scenario’s here and you argued for mine.
IF it isn’t a complete fresh start in classic and vanilla CE are included, Murky should be as well since it is all tied the same account bound system now. I’d be fine if Murky was limited to one character, but that isn’t the point here. The point is that it ISN’T a fresh start and the old accounts matter, then Murky has a case for classic on that merit.
IF it is a fresh start, Murky and the vanilla CE would sit it out unless the vanilla CE pets came with the upcoming classic CE instead. i could live with that scenario too.
But right now, you are basically telling me my account bound item from vanilla shouldn’t come to classic but yours should because of (insert selfish logic).
They either both belong if it isn’t a fresh start, or neither do if it is.
The only argument for Murky i could see not making classic is having to wait a patch or 2 in to be authentic to vanilla completely, but that still means he makes it for those with Murky now.
You made my point for me, and then completely didn’t realize it because your bending over backwards to say “my vanilla special pet belongs but not yours”
You have some very interesting reasoning and logic that’s for sure. I’m not entirely sure why you made the thread you should have said your statements on a tape recorder and put it on repeat cause clearly the only viewpoints you hear or comprehend are your own.
Let’s just agree to disagree as we won’t convince the other and i’ll tell you to have a nice day.
I don’t agree with you at all, but that doesn’t mean we can’t remain civil about it.
Take care and have a good day and time in classic!
ps - for the record, it isn’t like it’s a make or break issue and i haven’t stomped my feet around or threatened/cried to blizz about it but is it really so unreasonable to ask and hope for an answer? it’s really all i can do about it /shrug.
No, he was a special part of BlizzCon. You were given a redemption code (that had a time-limit on it, by the way) that allowed you to bring Murky into WoW, but he wasn’t part-and-parcel of WoW.
You’re confusing the factory-installed entertainment system in your car with the purchase of that ear-shattering boom box you had installed after you bought the car. It’s still in the car you installed it in, but mid-August you’re going to be in a different car.
And that time-limit on the redemption code? If you didn’t use by the expiration, even a GM couldn’t get Murky into the game for you. And I do believe 2019 is much, much farther away from the expiration date in 2005 …
You do know that those codes NEVER expire right? You could find a Murky card today and have a GM give it to you.
Murky was one of the iconic pets of vanilla WoW, we can agree to disagree but your analogy is heavily flawed and inaccurate.
There’s no time limit on Murky, and he is bound to account in the same way as the vanilla CE pets, and he was just as much a part of vanilla and deserves to be in classic for those with him.
Why object at all? how does this hurt you?
Wait, what? Where do you come off with that line anyway?
I told you I could care less. Obviously, I could have had murky too but I thought he was the most ridiculous thing ever put in the game. I also could care less if people have him (or not). I just thought this thread was interesting, but your arguments are losing ground fast and the way you run off people who might agree with you is rather humorous.