I mean why do you think Exile´s reach gets the RP perk? cause it was the obvious solution to let RPers pretend to be a race their toons can´t be using their own imagination.
As long as those aren´t the gaudy nonsense stuff we got.
Frankly, jewerly is my least favorite customization option because of the limitations the colors put on tmogs.
I like this you are putting in here.
And I have a less “weeb-ery” (though no shame fom my part, I´m a dirty manga/anime fan) explanation: oriental cultures like the India Islamic ones have males using kohl and other kinds of “make up” since milennia ago; and if we want Belves to follow on this trend, then gues what? Your idea is perfectly appliable too to male Belves.
I base my request on what I want, this doesn´t mean people won´t try to take advantage and how much noise they will make while at it. And the problem is how much the devs will listen and actually deploy sensible stuff for both parties, not merely put on copy/pastes with limited colors.
Sure, that´s why you were saying last weekend that Velves shoudl get the runic stuff too cause “those would not erase by proxy of becoming mutated Velves”, amrite?
No my dear, you yourself were literally saying and promoting the very stuff you today are saying is “clearly Belf only”. So pick up a stance cause I only hear you switching arguments at your convenience. Last weekend runic marks and tattoos ala Rommath were fine game for Velves but today that you want to negate Dark Ranger stuff those magically become “out of bounds” for Velves? Like, What?
It’s not. Blood Elves had a new theme since TBC onwards. People trying to perpetuate them as hearkening back to the era before they were termed Blood Elves seem to ignore all the lore for Blood Elves that have developed them since.
They are not a people trying to go back to the past of what they were, they honor it, but the way they showcase themselves now is different from that. Utilizing Anima, accepting the Holy energies into their culture, symbol of the Phoenix (risen from the ashes -hint hint-, symbol of ‘rebirth’) which once was only to the Sunstriders is now their entire people.
None of these apply to Void Elves btw. As Magister Umbric himself doesn’t have the ‘blood elf mindset’ let alone felt they should’ve never left the Alliance in the first place and gotten with the Horde.
But if people suggest the ideas and you simply go ‘no no >I< don’t think that makes sense’ (despite so many moments in the game showcasing this) then ofc you may wonder ‘what ever could Blood Elves get that makes em feel unique’.
High Elf customization could never feel unique even when Void Elves originally released as High Elves have been on Alliance anyway. At that point you’re only appearing to say it’s unique because only Blood Elves got to play with blonde/black/brown hair?
Tbh seems like you’re simply looking for a long-winded way to keep cementing that only High Elf customization can go to Blood Elves, which we no is not the state of High Elf customizations now and for some time.
And you are just proving my point. The obsession you have for Belves being high elves, despite that probably being an insult for them in lore nowadays and the vast changes the artists did in WC3 to craft their new visual identity, is what ultimately holds a lot of belf requests back.
It’s clear in a lot of instances is less “I want to have a cool blood elf” and more “I just don’t want them to have x stuff”. No wonder then Belves end up being insipid, even their own players/supporters don’t care about their things, they just care about other people not having it.
I agree the devs need to do a good job. Ultimately is they that fail. Not the people requesting things.
I literally never said velves should get the runic stuff? in fact I’ve always said that should be belf stuff. Even before SL Launched.
I think you argue with so many people, you are blending us all together.
All I am saying is that for a lot of people the drive for a new visual theme for blood elves (like how void elves have a void and a blood elf theme) comes out of void elves getting the new set of appearances from the blood elves.
Again: If void elves stayed as they were many people would be happy with just more variations of the same visual appearances blood elves had. But now that void elves have that look too, people are looking for a drastic new look that they may not have thought was needed beforehand. Blizzard gave you your request, and that gifting created a new desire for something to set blood elves apart visually.
For the most part there’s no lore to it, just people wanting to have something unique now that what had been unique isn’t.
And for me, because it’s about catching up visually and not based on the story, there’s nothing that stands out as “Yes, this is where to go with them visually”
The only one I could have mistook you for is the warrior Draenei (name starts with an “A”), cause you -like me- usually stick to posting in one toon and one toon only.
Nonetheless, one of you both were saying -and I quote- “thanks to the very nature of the implementation of the Velf race, the runic tattoos should appear on velves too”. I remember cause that was when I say it wouldn´t kill Velfers nor Helfers to get a different design to Rommath´s and the one of the TBC artbox ffs. Heck, it WAS you cause it was the moment I pointed the design markings from Rommath are used by both Blood Magi and Reliquary toons, and that Umbric would deffinitely NOT emulate the most faithful followers of Rommath when he disregarded Rommath quite easily.
Not sure how this adds up. I haven’t seen a High Elf focused thread on the front page of GD for a while, let alone one that has the immense support of previous posts before the hair colors came.
Feels like ‘people pushing helves’ did move on and the only one with an obsession continues to be you atm thinking that Blood Elves naturally can only get High Elf stuff when they’ve naturally for a long time have a lot more avenues open to them (along with HE stuff ofc).
I didn’t’ say exactly that, I talked about the box art and the runnic tattoos, but I did made a typo typing velves instead belves. Which I edited shortly after.
I don’t remember you however making a big deal out of that, because I assumed you saw I edited the post.
If you care about catching up visually and not based on story, then why are you talking about 'naturally’ seeing where Blood Elf customization goes. If it’s not based on story then it can be anything, every race can literally have anything they want if not beholden to story.
So weird to talk about naturally in the first place then earlier.
When I say naturally I mean from a story standpoint. There’s plenty that could naturally happen in game to change their appearance. But from looking at the story, it does not feel like a change that is based on things in the story, but from pressure from graphical changes to find something to shoehorn into the lore to make up what the blood elves lack compared to void elves.
I’m just saying I think that a lot of people are pushing for this thing not because of obvious cues in the story, but because they feel they need something new to make up for the fact that the void elves have void appearances and belf appearances. There’s people who have been pushing for ages for options that are one thing and more power to them, but I’m just saying that none of the options feel to me like they would occur because of how the story progressed, but because they’re being added to fulfill a request and they’d make up the story afterwards.
Kinda like the way people complained about how void elves just kinda popped into existence without any build up. They seem to be added to try to fulfill a request, but they didn’t do any of the background work to set them up so they feel a bit out of place with how quickly they showed up.
So you did mean from a story standpoint. Now you just sound contradictory to what you posted earlier.
It seems like you’re flip flopping just to continue this urge to continue being disappointed about what happened with the sharing of High Elf customizations.
You do you then.
Yeah, to you, is the keyword there. People like Ariel and other posters in the Belf obviously thought about how the story progressed for Belves to where they can access those customizations specific to them and only them.
High Elf customization is just simply not one of those specfic to them only themes.
And yes, you edited afterwards. Autai was the one in favor of literally copying the runic marks too.
Well, Averyx, I´ll apologize for mistaking you with the warrior. But the issue becomes aparent: if not even the runic marks are “sacred Belf stuff”, then unfortunately more err… “extreme” suggestions will have to be made. Cause again, I despise this: "Belves WILL have to share on every visual thing related to them NAOW!!" trend people has going on since the Helfer concessions when NO other race gets subjected to this weird standard.
I don´t see Mag´har players demanding the Orc stuff nor the green skins, nor Dwarf players demanding the “fireforged” hair effects or the Waildhammer tattoos, etc.
Yes, like how night warrior customizations flowed naturally from that scenario, it makes sense within the logic of the world.
I’m just saying there’s nothing to blood elves to me that screams out a path to open up an option that would be as different from them as initial void elves were.
But is Ariel pushing anything drastic? I love the henna look she’s been pushing, but that’s nowhere near the level of what I’m talking about. That all just seems like stuff that fits in standard belf.
But where would Belves get say particle effect hair from and other cool graphical updates on par with what the void elves got? That’s what I’m saying, nothing stands out as “This is an obvious path for blood elves to get a look that is as different from where they are now as void elves as originally introduced are”
Yup, this is correct. I´m NOT pushing on any extreme transformation stuff cause frankly, the more niche, the less benefitial for the whole of the people that can access to it.
I push for the white undead skin tone not for MY benefit, but for the benefit of Lann, Balesong, Fallyn and other posters that maybe only have THIS chance to make their Vampyr undead RP reality, by proxy of using a regular Belf toon as a vehicle, no more and no less.
It´s certainly an easier way to implement the RP tool than a toggle for the Undead model of the Forsaken.
Not only that, apart from anything related to Blood Magic and the Dark Animus, nothing in the Belf lore is completely exclusive to the point posters can´t come here to ask for the stuff. We have already seen this before, with the people asking for both green and golden eyes and asking for the runes, etc.
If anything "cool"is given to the Belves, you can bet the usual suspects will jump to demand that for Velves. And that by proxy of the very lack of lore updates the Belves suffer from (or more properly, the lack of “controversial / trascendent lore updates” they get), it is indeed hard to say “they clearly will go THIS path” (no Sunwell is NOT Lightforging the Belves and as per Danuser´s own words the golden eye color = how much of a Light fanboy you are, period).
I’m just amazed at all this pushback when I’m just saying that if you want to give a second visual theme to blood elves it’s hard to figure out what to go with because there’s nothing obvious and all the suggestions have plenty of people strongly for and against it seems.
I literally in January was all against Dark Ranger stuff cause I believed the devs were going to limit themselves to implement an eye color and a skin tone and call the Belf work “done” while ignoring the runic scarifications / marks and regular scars. Joke was on me at the end, they did even less and at least the red eyes I would had at least appreciated.
Nowadays I have a new appreciation for “low hanging fruit”.
This is a totally valid point because although I really want San’layn/Dark Ranger customizations for Blood Elves, I’d be for the light one because I play this character as a Holy Warlock but I don’t ever want to shaft anyone into only what I want because that’s not me.
That’s the thing also people act like DR stuff is new it’s not, people wanted it before Velonara gave a valid lead in, before we got Exiles reach.
I remember it was one of the things I first agreed with Reno on and loved the mock up Somand did of his character.
Balesong has long advocated for it.
The recent loss of visual uniqueness for BEs while awarding them as RP tools to VEs, coupled with Velonara being right there with text that would be valid in the context of us starting out as Exiles reach just makes it the opportune time.
That being said I’m open to alternative second visual themes no matter how much I like this one it’s less important than seeing BEs get that same return in some form to me.
Yup, I’m just here looking at it and there’s no easy thing to point to for where to go for a drastic change, there’s no story lead in, and there’s so many different opinions on the possibilities.
You and I think so much alike because that’s how I feel too omg in regards to having my favorite outcome but it not being as important as seeing something happen.