That’s certainly the early depiction. We get a much more stable presentation later on. Things like the Iron Juggernaut, Iron Reaver, etc. We see a lot of very stable and powerful mechs/cannons.
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And then in the Goblin Heritage Armor questchain we see Gallywix get trapped in his own mech because it malfunctions.
I’m not saying it is perfect, certainly. Just that we see a lot of pretty powerful uses. (I totally forgot the Darkshore Warfront and Motherload! stuff.
I’m saying Gallywix specifically even more than any other Goblin cuts as many corners as he can for profit. And that cannon is called Gallywix’s Pride.
Posting this response here on Kyalin’s behalf. This was taken from her Discord Server with her permission.
" It doesn’t matter if the need for war is rendered moot. If they destroyed the Night Elves, the thesis of the post is still correct. In short, Red Kalimdor is assured unless there’s something wrong with the conclusion that the Night Elves are dead as a nation. The two flaws to that analysis are these: a) the proportion of population destroyed is an open question, and people flagrantly ignore Elegy when they preach doom and gloom on this. If you’re going to make a lore based point, you don’t get to ignore lore. b) The Horde was militarily defeated around the world, including by the army of the Black Moon. The open question here is: why should that army stop? It didn’t appear to participate in the action at Orgrimmar. If the Horde put substantial efforts into defending Darkshore, that should have been their vanguard, what is stopping them now? The answer to both questions is Blizzard - and their track record of treating the Night Elves like trash. But that’s a meta point, not a lore point.
There’s one other point I should add to this. Analyses like these also tend to ignore the Horde’s military losses during the same timeframe, which were substantial. We know that their losses were heavier than the Night Elves. By how much is a matter of dispute - and that came out of their national guard. Night Elf losses at Lordaeron are unknown - same with elsewhere around the world. That leaves Darkshore - which are unknown, and are up to questions about whether you believe that the Night Elves, fighting in their own forests against an entrenched enemy with the backing of the Night Warrior would have lost more than the Horde. I find that notion hard to believe. Meanwhile, Katiera is right about this when it comes to the strength of Sylvanas’s forces: Loyalist quests suggest that Alleria got it wrong about the strength of her forces there… keeping in mind that this army’s strength was being assessed in the context of it defending city walls against an enemy on the ground. - They were having to press civilians into militias to defend Orgrimmar."
" I think we have to be extremely careful when it comes to assertions in the lore - the hard lore often mitigates big time. It just doesn’t match the presentation, which in turn causes confusion and causes general audiences, and even those of us who are aware of every story beat to feel much worse than what the actual text of the situation should tell us.
Does that make the lore good? No - it’s standard fantasy stock crap about a falling elven realm because that’s all these people seem to know how to do - but we do have to be precise about it."
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Oh yeah, firing that thing is a roll of the dice to see if it’s a dud, a spectacular dud (IE: The fancy horde shaped island is now completely gone), or if it outright obliterates it’s target (or something in the general region of said target)
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All I am getting at is that he is a raid boss in Battle for Azeroth. Odds don’t seem as likely it will botch.
Ion just literally said “The Horde didn’t win. The Alliance didn’t win.”
/thread
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While this is true, it also reads a lot like Ion trying to weasel out of being pinned down on anything, which he has a history of doing.
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Yah but he’s a lawyer, you can’t trust lawyers 
Besides no one at blizz has the mana to heal from the hits they’d take if they came out saying one side won over the other in this war.
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He may be a lawyer, but he also enacted Word of God. Gonna take another Word of God to undo it.
of course he will. he cannot let those poor horde players feel bad, ever.
I mean, Blizzard’s legendary number fudging and refusal to provide any concrete details mean that you could probably claim damn near anything about the result of the Fourth War and have some piece of lore support your interpretation.
So sure, you can say the Word of God states the Horde didn’t lose the war. But only one faction has come out of BfA in total trash garbo state, and it’s not the Alliance.
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Oh my god this is just a precious comment.
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For the first time in… well, ever the Alliance doesn’t have unity. They don’t agree with eachother. And for the first time since MoP’s end, the Horde outnumbers the Alliance. I doubt that will stick for long, but the Alliance definitely isn’t smelling like roses.
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We’re still on this hip-happening thing that the Horde lost the war?
Nothing had to change for the Horde. Maybe Thrall making a comeback and resuming the role as Warchief and Sylvanas returned to being a side-character, but, in Legion and onwards, the Horde was just fine.
That’s really more a testament to the genius of Helix Blackfuse, who is now, unfortunately, dead.
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I know this somewhat of a necro but I can help but say that we finally have proof that the Horde is a worse shape then Dreadmoore claim to portray.
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The Horde’s armies are depleted, our treasuries emptied, our resources stretched thin. A blow to us now would . . . Well, I am sure you can easily imagine the outcome.-Lother’mar
Where as the Alliance is pretty secure right now. It even has Arathi now. I am sure a blow right now to the Alliance would be lethal.