Which when you think about it, means 1) Sylvanas only believes in free will when it benefits her. 2) She makes a mockery of the entire Forsaken name. She is willing to murder her own people to keep them from reconnecting with their families who want them back. Anduin literally extended an olive branch and started the process of reconnection, and Sylvanas ground that olive branch into the dust. She then launched an offensive against the Alliance that was pretty much on par with another Undead faction. They also used Blight… different version, but Blight… What was their name… let me think. of wait, now I remember!
The Forsaken should be renamed to… The Scourge. Of course that would just be while under her rule. Perhaps with her gone, re-connection can actually… start.
Reconnection was only something the alliance wanted after the horde was able to be a threat. It was a political move and would not last. Where was this connection when the forsaken first came back? It’s all fake.
It’s almost as if people where scared that the race that had just moments ago been trying to slaughter all of them, might not be telling the truth. Of course it wasn’t instant, that wouldn’t be logical. What absolutely was political however, was Sylvanas slaughtering her own people that DID want to reconnect with family that wanted to start the process.
The mental gymnastics in the thread are staggering.
Think of it more like a Batman villain. You can like them but ultimately they are the bad guys and need to be stopped. Using the fantasy setting is not a clever argument as the world is established on what is moral or not.
So “say goodnight to the bad guy” and shadowlands is going to end for her the same way it ended for the guy I just quoted. (whom was also a liked character but ultimately in the wrong)
That is literally exactly what you said. I quoted you.
I’m going to requote it here, again. You find it hard to believe that many others wouldn’t choose the selfish option as well. You, being you, find it hard to believe, meaning that you think it is unlikely that many others (in that position of power) wouldn’t (would not) choose the selfish option. There is absolutely no other way to read it. Also, there is absolutely no way I’m engaging with you in ANYTHING further about this, given that despite being quoted as saying something (still up for review) you pretend you didn’t say it. God people are awful. It’s right there! You cannot pretend you didnt say it? What is wrong with you? Goodbye, I won’t be back here.
I don’t know why this isn’t processed for you. The fact you’re making a big deal about it before pressing emergency exit… again… tells me you know this already anyway and are just trying to save face. If you were truly right, you wouldn’t feel the need to come back here.
In fact, you came back here and actually quoted me correctly for the first time, but you changed up what you said from “anyone” to what I said: “many others”.
So once again, to make sure nobody misses anything:
This is what you first said.
So why would you change it up to the actual accurate statement? You 100% registered the thing that I said and are trying to pretend you never said the first response.
She ordered the plague bombing of alliance and horde troops at wrath gate.
She burned a city and all its inhabitants out of spite.
She is not morally grey.
Nope. The Night Elves attacked first. The Horde marched south to defend the mining operations in Sithilus. The Night Elves sailed to attack the Horde. The Horde army pivoted to attack the Night Elf World Tree. If the Night Elves had minded their own business and stayed home. They would still have a World Tree.
Saurfang straight up said he sent the Horde south to flip out the Alliance and send false intelligence, with an ultimate objective of conquering an entire race. They didn’t care about the little spy clashes. Not even the Horde knew why they were attacking.
And none of that even matters either, when it came out the entire point of the war was to cause as much death as possible, in order to send people to WoW Hell and grow Sylvanas’s power.
Genn most assuredly did not force her to attempt genocide Lann. You can reasonably argue that Genn pushed her into attacking (but let’s not forget that she killed his son) but that has nothing to do with burning Teldrassil and thousands of innocents - women and children among them - Night Elf and Worgen (and visitors) alike along with every other sentient being living there…none of whom were allied with anyone.
Can we? I seem to remember that before Genn attacked, he got a note that more or less said what Sylvanas was planning. That’s why he knew he took away her future, because he knew she stopped him from enslaving an entire race that could create more Forsaken. Hell, Genn was walking shirtless with his back turned against her after he destroyed the lantern. He didn’t even CARE if she killed him by shooting him in the back. His objective was complete, stop her from enslaving an entire race.
So enslaving a race against their free will ( Val’kyr), attempted conquering of another race(NE), genocide. It’s just one thing after another with this banshee.