Why Surv gets no love?

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@Photonfervor-ravencrest

For me it’s not a matter of pro melee or pro ranged. I enjoy playing melee, ranged, healer, and tank. I actually find myself playing more at ranged (PVP) for the sake of staying alive, often only Harpooning in to secure killing blows when the opportunity presents itself because so many other specs have so much more durability.

Why would it even make a difference to you, then, whether they keep this SV or bring back ranged SV? Judging by your alleged playstyle here if they made it ranged it would literally be better for you because the spec would then be playing into the strengths of the class and not actively going against it. Is this some product of irrational melee pride or something?

@Photonfervor-ravencrest

But it’s ridiculous to tell melee that they’re going to lose a significant amount of dmg when they’re not in melee range, and to tell casters that they’re going to lose a significant amount damage when they aren’t able to stand and cast, but then have these other guys that they will never lose any output regardless of circumstances.

You have absolutely zero authority to be making statements like this. You have no competitive PvE or PvP experience to speak of. This is once again just an angry casual melee player demanding the entire game be catered to him. BM and SV’s full mobility NEVER broke the game and NEVER made them the go-to DPS for all raids. You would know this if you actually participated in the content you’re talking about.

@Photonfervor-ravencrest

Yes, Blizz discussed being fine with BM because of pet melee requirement, pathing issues, and less than stellar AI. No, I absolutely will not sit through hours upon hours of Ion talking about irrelevant content in hopes of finding it. Yes, I understand the perspective of not accepting this claim without linking the proof. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree and move on.

You need to stop with this claim because absolutely no one is buying it and at this point it’s just sad. It’s not the burden of everyone else to prove your arguments for you. If you’re going to claim a statement was made, you’d better come up with the statement. Otherwise you’re just being flatly dishonest. No, I don’t “agree to disagree” on this. You’re wrong and lying.

Oh, what do you know. Hazzikostas today just commented on why they made SV melee. And there wasn’t a single mention of ranged mobility.

@Photonfervor-ravencrest

More than anything I would just like to see people get over the fact that this change has happened. It has literally been years since this change to digital representations of fictional characters that we play in a video game has taken place. I have seen people cope with the untimely loss of flesh and blood family members better than some of these players still bitterly ranting about RSV in every single Survival thread.

As much as you melee lovers would like it to be swept under the rug I’m not going to comply with that. If I can never play ranged Survival again the very least I can do is make sure that its removal is front-and-centre in every single SV discussion. Maybe they shouldn’t have done it if they didn’t want to hear complaints about it for years.

@Photonfervor-ravencrest

It’s like the spec has taken key elements from major steps in our evolution and combined them into a codified combat system.

There’s not much to say about this other than the fact that it’s one of the most reaching attempts at explaining SV’s identity I’ve ever seen.

If Survival were resourceful, which it was always meant to be, it wouldn’t be arbitrarily avoiding the use of a ranged weapon. As a Hunter, being melee and being resourceful/opportunistic are mutually exclusive concepts.

@Azagorod-emerald-dream

Short version, you agree SV is good. Its only a dmg tuning issue atm. SV has good utility and that having a short CD on interrupt is more valuable than a long one. Thus why melee is more preferred. They have the same utility as MM and BM (obviously… same class) so yes, they still have good utilities compared to other class and bring in things that other dont.

Uh, no. I do not agree that SV is good. Having the same utility as the ranged specs means it is NOT good because those specs are, you know, RANGED, and SV is not. The standards for ranged and melee utility are different. Good utility for a ranged spec isn’t automatically good enough for a melee spec. The tuning just compounds the issue. Even earlier in the expansion when BM had not scaled so far ahead SV was still undesirable in all PvE content.

Is your entire purpose on this forum to act as the Baghdad Bob of Survival?

@Taigertraps-darkspear

If it was up to me, I would add a mandatory ability that needs to be casted without moving to bm too.
Ranged should not have full freedom of movement.

There are other ways to balance full mobility, and this is evident because full mobility has literally never made Hunters overpowered in raid content. We should not be catering ranged specs towards petty, selfish melee players.